Post by: Fierofool on November 06, 2009, 10:56:01 pm
This car is being given to the Georgia Fiero Club, and is intended to become our Pace Car and banner carrier. A number of our members have already agreed to participate in restoring and repainting the car to its original condition. It will be decorated with the Georgia Fiero Club logo and will represent us at parades and shows. It will also be available as a loaner car to any dues-paying member who is in temporary need of a car.
http://s624.photobucket.com/albums/tt324/charlessewell/Little%20Duke%20Coupe/
Post by: RobsFieros on November 07, 2009, 07:40:44 am
Post by: Tha Driver on November 07, 2009, 03:41:42 pm
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Some people are like a Slinky, not good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Post by: Fierofool on November 07, 2009, 06:07:20 pm
Post by: 85GT on November 09, 2009, 08:16:42 pm
Post by: 85GT on November 09, 2009, 09:00:36 pm
Post by: TopNotch on November 10, 2009, 10:54:36 am
Post by: Fierofool on November 10, 2009, 05:36:42 pm
Whodeanie has a set of 87 GT wheels with some used tires (RFTH spinout tires) that we can get for $50 if he hasn't already sold them. Except for a wing, it would make it look like a Formula. Robbie has a dual exhaust setup and a good 88 dash.
Once we get it up and going, I think it would be good if anyone who uses it, bring it back with some improvement of some kind. Maybe some fuzzy dice or dingleberries around the windshield or a put out or get out decal. ;D
Post by: RobsFieros on November 10, 2009, 06:45:44 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 10, 2009, 07:07:36 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on November 10, 2009, 07:27:44 pm
Post by: 85GT on November 10, 2009, 09:47:18 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 11, 2009, 12:23:30 am
Post by: 85GT on November 11, 2009, 07:51:57 am
Post by: TopNotch on November 11, 2009, 09:51:13 am
Post by: Fierofool on November 11, 2009, 03:01:15 pm
Post by: TopNotch on November 11, 2009, 04:50:19 pm
Could you hear the pump run when you turned on the ignition?
And how! It was a very loud pump. The new AC Delco pump I put in is much quieter.
Edit: I just hope I didn't throw the thing away.
Post by: Fierofool on November 11, 2009, 06:25:19 pm
Post by: TopNotch on November 11, 2009, 09:47:25 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 17, 2009, 08:31:57 pm
No start. Poured some fuel into the engine and she fired off--and died. Did that several times but the car still won't run on its own. So Ashby went back underneath and pulled the line loose at the filter. Turned on the ignition and we still don't have fuel coming out, so at some later time, he will be back to drop the tank again to see what's gone wrong.
Post by: TopNotch on November 17, 2009, 10:23:47 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 18, 2009, 12:15:38 am
I've since gone back several times and cycled the switch and tried to start it without success.
Post by: RobsFieros on November 18, 2009, 08:37:25 am
Post by: Fierofool on November 18, 2009, 02:00:36 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on November 18, 2009, 06:59:19 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 26, 2009, 07:43:05 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 29, 2009, 11:28:36 pm
Ashby came out today and fixed whatever it was before I got back from Church. Installed a new fuel filter and he was getting fuel there, but it still wouldn't start, though. Didn't seem to be getting the fuel up to the throttle body. He took the supply line loose at the throttle body and eventually got fuel there then the injector wasn't spraying. A little cranking while tapping on the injector with a wrench did the trick. Fuel gauge is still stuck to the far right, though.
It started and sounded great, but Ashby started yelling to "turn it off before we have a fire!" The valve cover is leaking badly. Will be getting one of those and installing it as soon as the weather allows.
The alternator isn't charging, so the next thing will be to replace that. At least I can start it and run it on a fully charged battery to test for oil leaks, overheating and other things after the gasket replacement.
Don called and said he had a tilt column to go in it and at the same time we'll install delay wipers since the switch is already in the column. Don't know if you've ever gotten into one without tilt, but it's a bit difficult.
Once we've got it on the road, we'll start using the car for tech sessions. Dew wipe replacement, headliner replacement, headlight motor rebuild and wiper blades. As far as I've been able to determine, aside from paint, these are the only things the car needs. Before we paint it, Don and I discussed installing a decklid that has a remote trunk release and a luggage rack. We decided against installing the chenille dingleberries around the windshield.
I have a late model Pontiac radio to go into it. Eventually I'll get the harness to install it.
I will be visiting Robbie in the next week or so to get the 88 dash to replace the badly cracked one that's in it, along with the dual GT exhaust.
Post by: 85GT on November 30, 2009, 01:07:46 am
Post by: Fierofool on November 30, 2009, 07:02:56 am
Post by: RobsFieros on November 30, 2009, 08:03:52 am
Post by: 88_4mula on November 30, 2009, 12:45:40 pm
let me know when you want to replace the radio.
I can take care of it.
Post by: Fierofool on November 30, 2009, 01:27:51 pm
Post by: Fierofool on December 22, 2009, 08:05:36 pm
Any recommendations on a good brand valve cover gasket that won't leak?
Gerald and Dewey brought down a dual exhaust and a new dash for it a couple of weeks ago. Pat, I'll need your expertise in installing it onto the Duke. Once it's running, it will go to Don's for the dash and a tilt column and delay wipers. Then we should be able to put it on the road to be driven to anyone's place for other work.
Post by: TopNotch on December 22, 2009, 08:13:42 pm
Any recommendations on a good brand valve cover gasket that won't leak?
The blue Felpro rubber and steel kind don't leak. I think I have a used one, but I don't know if they can be re-used. They are installed dry, so maybe they can be.
Post by: Fierofool on December 22, 2009, 08:34:31 pm
Post by: 85GT on December 22, 2009, 09:15:15 pm
Post by: Fierofool on December 22, 2009, 09:34:49 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 13, 2010, 03:49:58 pm
I drove it around through the subdivision several times and the clutch and transmission are very smooth. Before it can go on the road, the headlight motors need repaired and the brake calipers need rebuilt. The headlight motors keep running and it only has partial brakes.
I'll take care of the headlights. Anyone want to tackle the brakes?
Post by: TopNotch on January 13, 2010, 04:48:00 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 13, 2010, 07:23:14 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on January 13, 2010, 07:35:45 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 13, 2010, 09:12:31 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on January 13, 2010, 10:02:45 pm
Post by: TopNotch on January 14, 2010, 11:34:06 am
Post by: Fierofool on January 14, 2010, 12:31:21 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 15, 2010, 11:08:38 pm
Kevin will also be taking a look at the radio. It has a cheap aftermarket radio and the rear speakers don't work. We'll be installing a late model Grand Prix radio.
I will also be pulling out my set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 white letter tires to install on the Lil Duke Coupe. The tires that are on the car have very little mileage, but have 4 years of sitting. They are dry rotted badly and 2 of them go flat in about 2 days. Anyone have a tire changer?
Post by: scottb on January 16, 2010, 08:35:13 am
Post by: Fierofool on January 27, 2010, 10:25:01 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on January 27, 2010, 11:01:16 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 27, 2010, 11:16:55 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 31, 2010, 11:30:54 am
Post by: 88_4mula on January 31, 2010, 09:58:58 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on January 31, 2010, 10:03:53 pm
Post by: TopNotch on January 31, 2010, 10:04:47 pm
A good day is hard to come by. But we will get those brakes done.
I managed to change the oil on my little duke today. The day was at least good enough for that.
Post by: Fierofool on February 01, 2010, 10:15:10 pm
Have you got any recent pictures of the car?
Nothing's changed much, visibly, except that I washed it and got all the black crud off it. I cleaned out all the built-up leaves, and the radio is hanging out by its wires. They cut the harness and spliced in the new radio, so I want to leave it intact for Kevin to work with.
I degreased the engine and it's looking decent. I plan to repaint some of the hardware in the engine bay to spruce it up a bit. When I start, I'll likely take some before and after pictures. I still don't have the title to the car, so I'm a little reluctant to do a lot to it, though I trust Dan will provide the title without hesitation. He spends a lot of time out of state and it's difficult for us to syncronize our schedules.
Post by: Fierofool on March 20, 2010, 04:16:05 pm
Today I removed the valve cover on the Little Duke Coupe and replaced it with a FelPro rubber gasket kit that comes with the bolts and wings like the 3.4 and small block Chevys use. Also came with a new EGR valve gasket since you have to remove the EGR to get the valve cover off. While I had everything off, I cleaned and repainted the breather and valve cover a nice glossy black. It must have had a replacement valve cover because it was still coated with Cosmolene everywhere except the top surface. I'll post some pictures later when I'm feeling a little better.
While I was putting it back together, I checked the EGR valve. It has a hole in the diaphragm. Does anyone have a good used EGR valve for an 88 Duke?
Post by: TopNotch on March 20, 2010, 07:04:18 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 20, 2010, 11:49:15 pm
I've been trying to post pictures, but PIP gives me an internet error message. This is something new because it's been working for me up until now. I get error code 35756 run time error.
Post by: TopNotch on March 21, 2010, 11:05:42 am
Post by: Fierofool on March 21, 2010, 11:20:24 am
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This is how it looked after 4 years of sitting in the back yard.
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Headliner is sagging and was supported in many places by straight pins. There's a good supply in the ash tray.
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Scott Brown and I about to load it onto the trailer to bring it to it's new home
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The engine is pretty clean inside. No sludge buildup except around the center headbolt directly behind the throttle body.
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Removed the valve cover to replace a leaky gasket. This reminds me of the Kellogg's Raisin Bran song---
You get two tubes of silicone on every Little Duke Coupe head.
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The breather with valve cover and new gasket reinstalled.
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Post by: RobsFieros on March 22, 2010, 09:03:18 am
Post by: TopNotch on March 22, 2010, 10:52:08 am
Post by: Fierofool on March 22, 2010, 11:37:53 am
Edit: Just added the pic to the above post.
Post by: Fierofool on April 06, 2010, 05:35:41 pm
I removed the old tires, which were so dry rotted that 2 of them would go flat in a day or two. I reinstalled a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 tires all the way round. After getting the new tread on, I ran it up and down the street 4 or 5 times. The brake mastercylinder rear compartment is empty and you can tell that the brakes don't work properly. After getting back, I checked the rotors and only the front are shiny. The rear aren't working at all, and likely need rebuilding. The front needs pads, but the rear are good.
Here are a few pictures after it got a wash, today. Before and After pictures. The after pictures are what I hope it to look like when we get it ready to lead parades and to loan out to members.
Front, Before
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Front, After
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Rear, Before
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Rear, After
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Post by: Alfa Seltzer on April 07, 2010, 07:52:05 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 08, 2010, 07:46:56 am
We could use a tire iron. Even though the spare and jack have never been used, there is no tire iron.
Post by: Alfa Seltzer on April 09, 2010, 03:40:01 pm
Post by: Fierofool on May 19, 2010, 07:36:48 pm
Post by: TopNotch on May 19, 2010, 10:33:59 pm
Post by: Fierofool on May 20, 2010, 03:47:15 pm
Still haven't heard anything from him regarding the title.
Post by: TopNotch on May 20, 2010, 04:10:26 pm
Post by: Fierofool on May 20, 2010, 06:29:49 pm
Post by: TopNotch on May 20, 2010, 08:46:08 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 14, 2010, 10:33:08 pm
Post by: TopNotch on September 08, 2010, 03:23:08 pm
(My V6 does too, because the recall wasn't done.)
Post by: Fierofool on September 08, 2010, 04:05:59 pm
Post by: Raydar on September 08, 2010, 10:27:00 pm
My 88 coupe was missing the seal when I got the car.
Post by: Fierofool on November 28, 2010, 03:53:53 pm
I pulled the radio out and the harness has been butchered. I have an upgrade radio for it, but the harness has to be repaired first. The rear speakers didn't work with this radio, but that could be a result of the wires that are cut.
It needs an 88 dash, vinyl radio surround, manual shift surround, drop down console door and the main trim piece around the instrument panel. All of these are broken badly.
It needs a headliner. This one is held up by straight and safety pins.
Don is contributing and installing a tilt column and delay wipers.
I have a good pair of 87GT seats to install.
Three of the tires have nails and slowly leak down. I'll see about getting those patched.
Post by: Fierofool on November 28, 2010, 04:56:34 pm
AAA A coating on the glass. Standard equipment on the vehicle
AR9 Seat, front bucket, driver, passenger, manual reclining
C41 Heater, base (non AC) (88)
D35 Mirror, outside, rearview (painted)
D7W Gear, speedometer driven
UL5 Radio delete (all)
MM5 Transmission, manual, 5-speed, provisions (85-88)
82B Ripple cloth, Dark Gray
N36 Steering wheel, rally 4-spoke (86-87)------This RPO doesn't match the year but RPO is correct.
82I Interior Trim, Medium Dark Gray
LR8 Engine, 2.5L L4
WA9077 Ruby Red (87-88)
J77U--Unknown at this time but believed to mean lower paint trim is same as top trim.
.A5--Incomplete, unknown at this time but believed to be QAB P195/70R14 blackwall, steel-belted (1988)
905--Unknown at this time
K..--Incomplete, unknown at this time
There are also others which cannot be determined.
Post by: Fierofool on April 05, 2011, 07:50:55 pm
Needs:
Rear brake pads installed. I have them.
Water pump, pump pulley and belt replaced. I have them.
Spark plug wires replaced.
Instrument panel surround replaced. I have that.
Rear speakers installed. I have them.
Headliner replaced.
Dash replaced.
Console soft vinyl pieces replaced. I have the AC/Radio surround.
Nose emblem replaced. I have one.
Pontiac on rear bumper replaced. I have that.
Dew wipes replaced.
If anyone wants the car to tinker on, it's driveable.
Post by: Donster on April 05, 2011, 08:07:53 pm
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Post by: Fierofool on April 05, 2011, 08:16:10 pm
Post by: Donster on April 05, 2011, 08:19:52 pm
Does the Coupe have AC running on the same belt?
I remeber you saying something about an aftermarket AC? Or was it the only feature it actually had being a base coupe?
Post by: Fierofool on April 05, 2011, 08:36:48 pm
Post by: Donster on April 05, 2011, 08:43:47 pm
\D
Post by: Tha Driver on April 06, 2011, 04:42:11 am
The Lil' Duke Coupe is registered and insured. Tires have been repaired, Kevin repaired the radio wiring harness and we have a late model Pontiac radio installed. New alternator installed. New wiper blades installed. Headlights adjusted. I rebuilt the motors earlier. New Battery.
Needs:
Rear brake pads installed. I have them.
Water pump, pump pulley and belt replaced. I have them.
Spark plug wires replaced.
Instrument panel surround replaced. I have that.
Rear speakers installed. I have them.
Headliner replaced.
Dash replaced.
Console soft vinyl pieces replaced. I have the AC/Radio surround.
Nose emblem replaced. I have one.
Pontiac on rear bumper replaced. I have that.
Dew wipes replaced.
If anyone wants the car to tinker on, it's driveable.
As always, club members are welcome to bring the car here & use my tools if they want to work on it. I can lend a hand at times, too.
I also have the rear console piece out of my Formula; it's in good shape but the door is badly warped. The club can have it if they want. (I plan to build a custom console in the Formula)
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Post by: Fiero GTB on April 06, 2011, 11:38:40 am
Fiero GTB
Post by: Fierofool on April 06, 2011, 12:37:48 pm
Turns out the auto parts stores didn't have water pumps, pulleys or belts, so I've just ordered a new water pump from NAPA and I left a message at The Fiero Factory with my request for a pulley. NAPA is the only parts store that offers a pulley on the water pump, but unfortunately it's for the 84-86 with the twin belts.
I also just ordered spark plug wires.
Post by: TopNotch on April 06, 2011, 10:12:17 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 06, 2011, 10:33:09 pm
Post by: 88_4mula on April 08, 2011, 09:17:15 am
I 've done brakes quite a few times on mine....
I can come over and do the rear brakes.
let me know at the meeting.
Post by: Fierofool on April 08, 2011, 11:42:54 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 21, 2011, 06:19:10 pm
Ray followed me and he said he'd noticed an occasional spray coming out of the engine. When we got to Don's we found that the water pump just couldn't wait for us to replace it. It failed just about the time we got there. I guess it realized we were about to do some surgery on it. The ignition locked up before we could change out the column and the water pump failed because we planned to install a new one.
Don has donated a tilt column and delay wiper motor and will be installing that. Since I had the new pump, belt and pulley sitting in the front floor, I asked him to install that, too.
Post by: Fierofool on May 06, 2011, 05:03:17 pm
Post by: oldone on May 06, 2011, 08:24:16 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 15, 2011, 05:27:21 pm
The first time I drove it any distance was to the club meeting and it ran well. On the way back it began to stall. It stalled frequently. Each time, after turning off the ignition and waiting a moment it would restart and I could drive for a short distance again. I repeated that process several times on the way home. In the coming weeks I couldn't find the cause and only drove it 5-6 miles at a time.
One night I found that the alternator wasn't charging and drove the last half mile home in the dark with no lights. I replaced the alternator with a new one, but that one made the headlights look like 2 motorcycles coming at you with the headlights pulsing. Diagnostics showed that the alternator was putting out 15.25 volts at idle. Since I couldn't rebuild that alternator it was off to Advance for a new one. That solved that problem.
It went off to Aerodonamics for some work. Don installed the tilt column and delay wipers. Wipers take a sweep when the headlights are flashed or the turn signals are turned on. TopNotch's Phantom Wiper Fixer will cure that. As you can see in the above posts, there were no problems while Don had the car. That is until I brought it home. Got just 1 mile from home and it stalled. Three times in that mile. Each time after turning off the ignition it would restart. It would restart only after the ignition had been turned to the OFF position.
Afterward, I only drove it close by home and had no problems. Then I drove it to the July meeting. Ran great right down I-85. Left the meeting and hit I-85 again and it ran great. Until I got to the airport in Lawrenceville and it shut down while running about 65. Oh, BTW, the SES light had been going on and off all the way down and back. First time that had happened. Anyway, because of traffic I pulled to the shoulder, turned off the ignition and immediately restarted. Just 9 more miles home.
In that 9 miles it shut down 4 more times. In all but one, I just put it in neutral, turned off the ignition and coasted, turned the ignition back on and restarted it. The first time while coasting I tried restarting without turning off the ignition and also bump starting with the clutch. Still no-go.
Got it home and checked the code and it was an Oh-2 sensor Code 13. Replaced it and in local driving of about 20 miles round trip, it's given no problems.
These problems don't happen unless it gets a little distance away and starts back home. I think it doesn't want to come home. Anyone else want to keep it for a while?
Post by: Donster on July 15, 2011, 06:02:06 pm
jk....... I think you actually have a bigger driveway than I do
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Post by: TopNotch on July 15, 2011, 08:41:42 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 15, 2011, 08:46:40 pm
Post by: TopNotch on July 15, 2011, 09:19:25 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 15, 2011, 09:31:43 pm
Tucked back underneath the C500 is a weatherpak connector. Is that for the ECM, like the V6's have? Can I clear the stored codes by disconnecting that?
Post by: TopNotch on July 15, 2011, 09:37:08 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 07, 2011, 05:04:41 pm
Post by: nightmare311 on October 07, 2011, 05:15:53 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 07, 2011, 06:43:01 pm
Post by: slowburn57 on October 21, 2011, 10:33:03 am
joe
Post by: Fierofool on November 19, 2011, 12:47:33 pm
About 2 miles into the return trip I suddenly got another horrible noise from the right rear. Sounded like the wheel is coming off the car. Pulled into a vacant house at the end of the #17 exit ramp of I-985 and found a flat tire. There was a crew there preparing to demolish the house. As Ray and I jacked up the car, one of the guys walked up with a lug wrench and started taking off the wheel. He changed it for us, wished us a good day and got in his truck and left.
Next thing to do is to get the rear pads replaced. I've had new pads for the car, but have never installed them. Would anyone like to teach me how to change out the rear pads on an 88? It would need to be done at my house. Then it can go to PurpleHaze so she can install the headliner.
Next step is to pick up a good set of used tires to replace the dry rotted tires on it that are probably 7-8 years old. Then it will be available for any member who needs emergency transportation.
Post by: TopNotch on November 19, 2011, 07:38:25 pm
Post by: Donster on November 20, 2011, 10:19:02 am
You'll have to screw the piston in for the new pads.
Charlie,
If you need the tool for that, I've got it.
\D
Post by: Fierofool on November 20, 2011, 10:31:13 am
Post by: Donster on November 20, 2011, 11:13:06 am
\D
Post by: Fierofool on November 20, 2011, 12:56:18 pm
Post by: Donster on November 20, 2011, 02:32:07 pm
Nothing but red and black wire spaghetti up front
\D
Post by: Fierofool on November 20, 2011, 09:47:26 pm
Don, I'll get these relays to you, or if you need them really quickly, come on over.
Post by: Donster on November 21, 2011, 07:20:41 am
\D
Post by: 88_4mula on November 21, 2011, 05:19:16 pm
Says it will be mostly sunny on friday
Hope to see ya then.
Post by: Fierofool on November 21, 2011, 07:02:11 pm
Now, who was it said they had a front set of pads to donate? Maybe we can do those on Friday?
Post by: oldone on December 03, 2011, 10:30:08 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 06, 2012, 08:07:13 pm
She just got a good set of fair weather tires on her today. Used, but decent tread. Hankook Hz24's, I think. Don't know how good they are in the rain, yet.
So, now if any dues paying member needs temporary transportation and drive a manual equipped car, I'd feel safe in letting her run the streets. Or if anyone would like to tinker with her, she's yours, registered and insured.
Things that need to be done to her:
Dash installed-on hand
Rear speakers installed-on hand
Deck lid release wire snaked through deck lid and relay installed.
Front speakers replaced
Left lower door sill trim replaced--on hand
Seats replaced--on hand
Headliner installed-on hand
Manual dot matrix shift surround replaced or repaired
Soft vinyl radio surround replaced or repaired.
Aftermarket AC compressor serviced/repaired.
Dew wipes replaced
Single exhaust replaced with dual exhaust--on hand.
Sanded, primered and painted. This should be a group project.
Post by: Donster on March 06, 2012, 09:11:38 pm
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Post by: Fierofool on March 06, 2012, 09:20:08 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 08, 2012, 04:26:12 pm
Next, the left front speaker had stopped singing, so I pulled it to see what's wrong. Not original, but in horrible condition, so I pulled both and installed a set of 4 x 6's that had a very large magnet that wouldn't fit B pillars. When we do the headliner, we can replace the dash, seats and install the B pillar speakers so that stuff doesn't have to come out again.
Scott Brown will be piloting the Lil Duke Coupe on the Cloudland Canyons/BBQ tour on the 17th if he doesn't have to work. If he can't make it, Kevin will take over controls.
Post by: Donster on March 08, 2012, 06:05:43 pm
\D
Post by: Fierofool on March 25, 2012, 06:12:01 pm
I pulled the trouble code it set as we came down I-75 from Ringgold to Dalton and it indicated MAP sensor, it's harness or vacuum line. Popped the deck and saw the vacuum line hanging there, so I put it back in place and it started and ran just fine. I drove it around for about an hour this afternoon without problem.
I don't believe that was the cause of the initial problem, though. I think that came loose when we pulled the breather off to look for the original problem.
Picked up a new pair of 4 x 10 front speakers during the week and will get them installed when we replace the dash with the one supplied by Whodeanie.
While I was up in Dalton, I went by to see 3 Fieros that ButchSummerville has for sale. An 84 base coupe, and an 85SE which are basically parts cars, with no body damage and a nice 86 SE that has a good clear coat original paint job, interior is nice. The front fascia is loose at the top from a deer strike, but I saw no cracks or holes in it. All are 4 cylinders. The 84 and 86 are manual transmission cars and the 85 is automatic. He's asking $1200 for the package. He should have an ad posted soon.
Post by: Spartanzz on March 25, 2012, 11:09:38 pm
Post by: TopNotch on March 26, 2012, 09:44:00 am
Post by: Donster on March 26, 2012, 10:19:21 am
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Post by: TopNotch on October 14, 2012, 09:50:37 pm
I also replaced the driver seat bottom with one I had in my shed, that's in better condition.
Post by: Fierofool on October 15, 2012, 07:56:36 am
Post by: TopNotch on October 20, 2012, 07:57:16 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 20, 2012, 09:54:57 pm
Post by: TopNotch on October 20, 2012, 11:03:14 pm
The part cost about $22. You don't have to pay me back, though.
Edit: I found the cracked CPC because I decided to check out the ignition "brick". The rest of it looks OK.
Post by: TopNotch on October 21, 2012, 01:28:27 pm
I also had a spare set of keys made at the local hardware store.
And I checked the tach based on what I get in my car. At 60 MPH on the speedometer in my car in 5th gear, the tach reads 2100. In the LDC, it reads 2700. It reads about 1100-1200 at idle, which sounds more like 900. So it gets more inaccurate as speed increases.
Post by: Fierofool on October 21, 2012, 04:44:03 pm
Post by: Roger on October 21, 2012, 08:39:10 pm
Go to
http://www.fieros.de/en/main.html
Click 'Electronics' then, 'Speedo/Tach tester
Very simple to build with Radio Shack parts.
Also, check out
http://www.howtoalmanac.com/kevin/projects/automotive/tachfix.htm
I know it's not our tach but great info that is very informative.
I''ve also heard through the grapevine that a tach filter on its last leg will cause erronious readings.
Post by: Fierofool on October 21, 2012, 09:12:36 pm
Post by: TopNotch on October 21, 2012, 11:24:59 pm
With those small wheels, I think the speedo is off by about 7 mph at an indicated 70 mph. That's according to comparison with a GPS. I had a set of Formula wheels lined up but were sold before I could get to them.
For the tach-speedometer comparison, the actual speed of the car (from the tire size) doesn't matter. It just compares one gauge to another at a certain engine speed. One of the gauges in the coupe is off, and I suspect it's the tach.
Post by: TopNotch on October 21, 2012, 11:26:40 pm
I''ve also heard through the grapevine that a tach filter on its last leg will cause erronious readings.
The 88 4-cylinder doesn't have a tach filter.
Post by: Fierofool on October 21, 2012, 11:43:46 pm
With those small wheels, I think the speedo is off by about 7 mph at an indicated 70 mph. That's according to comparison with a GPS. I had a set of Formula wheels lined up but were sold before I could get to them.
For the tach-speedometer comparison, the actual speed of the car (from the tire size) doesn't matter. It just compares one gauge to another at a certain engine speed. One of the gauges in the coupe is off, and I suspect it's the tach.
What I was referring to was that with smaller tires, the speedo will register higher than actual because the tires make more revolutions per mile and the tach speed will be higher at any given speed when the car is in motion. At idle, of course the tires don't come into play. Tach and speedo don't have effect on one another, except that the ECM may use the data to compare in its look-up table. I agree that it looks like the tach is incorrect and reading high.
Post by: Tha Driver on October 22, 2012, 03:07:29 am
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Post by: Fierofool on October 22, 2012, 08:13:37 am
Post by: TopNotch on November 01, 2012, 05:04:43 pm
Post by: Fierofool on November 03, 2012, 06:52:47 pm
We also found something I have never seen before. It has a console skeleton that has no screw holes stripped nor any cracks or breaks.
Post by: TopNotch on November 17, 2012, 05:59:41 pm
I tried gluing it, but it didn't hold. So I made a clamp out of aluminum...
Now the air blows where you direct it, so I don't have to have cold feet if I drive the car.
Notice that the other clamp is cracked, and may break some day. If it does, I'll do the same thing.
Post by: Fierofool on November 17, 2012, 07:19:22 pm
Post by: TopNotch on March 30, 2013, 08:20:59 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 30, 2013, 11:35:08 pm
Post by: TopNotch on March 31, 2013, 08:27:47 am
Pictures, Pictures, Pictures!Oops.... fixed.
Post by: Fierofool on March 31, 2013, 11:22:09 pm
Post by: Tha Driver on April 01, 2013, 08:26:02 am
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Post by: TopNotch on April 01, 2013, 09:16:55 am
Post by: TopNotch on April 01, 2013, 09:21:02 am
Those aren't the center caps that go on the wheels. What happened to the original Pacer caps? I guess those will do until another original can be found.We still only have 3 pacer center caps. I even tried here (http://wheelcapking.com/request-a-cap/), with no luck.
Post by: Fierofool on April 01, 2013, 09:43:03 am
Post by: Tha Driver on April 01, 2013, 12:36:36 pm
Paul, How much do you want for your Formula wheels?I was going to donate them to the club for the coupe. But I'm still using them for fitment on my VW, trying to determine what size tires I need. I can pull them, though.
If the club doesn't want them I'll take $100 for just the wheels. The tires are good, but I don't know how old they are.
Charlie, I just checked & yahoo is sending "topic reply" emails to my spam folder, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE THAT OPTION TURNED OFF! Yours probably got sent there too, especially if you used the forum email to send it. :(
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Post by: Fierofool on April 01, 2013, 10:54:14 pm
Post by: aerodonamic on April 18, 2013, 03:36:53 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 18, 2013, 04:09:44 pm
Post by: CowsPatoot on January 20, 2014, 04:12:47 pm
First, the video:
As you can see, it seems that the problem is tie rods rather than ball joints.
Driver's side sway bar end link. I think we know where the rattle in the front end was coming from.
Passenger side end link. Same thing.
I have a spare set of poly end links from an 86...I can transfer the ends to the 88 bolt and spacer and we will be good here.
Tie rods...
The photo of the other side was too dark to see...but it is the same story over there. I think we should replace these as well. Although I haven't really determined that the inners are bad also, once we are replacing every other joint, do we really want to skip them?
Inner: $25 each - http://rodneydickman.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26_43&products_id=156
Outer: $21 each - http://rodneydickman.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26_43&products_id=155
Post by: CowsPatoot on January 20, 2014, 04:21:52 pm
Side note. I measured the alignment before pulling things apart. Camber was 0.9 degrees driver's side and 0.7 degrees on the passenger side. I didn't measure the exact toe, but it was significantly more than the 0.3 degree desired on both sides.
Post by: TopNotch on January 20, 2014, 04:22:52 pm
Post by: CowsPatoot on January 20, 2014, 05:04:20 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 20, 2014, 09:05:53 pm
Where are the jack stands located? Are they under the control arms or under the chassis? I found on my 86 that ball joints won't show movement unless the suspension is loaded. With it supported on the chassis, there wasn't any movement, but man, were they totally destroyed.
When we talked earlier tonight, you said you were going to do a rough alignment. Are you aware that you have to 'jounce' an 88 at least 3 times after unloading the suspension to get it to settle back down? It's in the Tech Q & A under alignment.
Post by: CowsPatoot on January 20, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Post by: aerodonamic on January 26, 2014, 08:50:44 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 21, 2014, 01:16:36 pm
I just picked up a pair of Potenza 215/55-16 directionals and had them installed on the front and the front 225/55/16's moved to the rear.
I'm now looking at the temperature gauge display, which reads very low. The gauge reads about 155 but my IR temp gauge shows 220 when shot at the base of the sending unit. At the same time the coolant temperature sensor base is showing about 155. I'll delve into this a little further to find where the errors are.
I just noticed that the dash I installed now has a huge crack at the left speaker and the instrument cluster cover is also split. Anyone have either, I'd be interested. Gray in color.
Post by: Fierofool on April 27, 2014, 06:17:52 pm
The car drives great as it is, but too much mileage will take a toll on the tires.
I replaced the injector last Friday and drove it about 30 miles over to meet ScottB. Then back. Today, I drove it to Church then to Cleveland, Ga. A round trip distance of about 150 miles without any stalling issues. Maybe the injector will be the answer.
Pat, when can it come to visit you for a while? I have my 86 parked in the grass.
Post by: TopNotch on April 28, 2014, 11:14:40 am
Pat, when can it come to visit you for a while? I have my 86 parked in the grass.
Bring it on over. It will have company. Our grandkid's mother just bought an 85 GT that has been re-bodied to look like an 86 GT, and it has a 3.4 in it. It's for one of the grandkids in the future. The wiring is a complete mess, so it will need some work.
Post by: Fierofool on May 01, 2014, 09:07:56 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 13, 2014, 09:31:31 am
Yesterday as Roger and I were returning from the Boy Scout car show, I made it from Villa Rica to the Ashford-Dunwoody area of I-285 an while we were running along in the center lane at about 70 mph, it shut down. I threw it out of gear and began coasting, trying to move toward the shoulder.
I made it and while still coasting, turned the ignition to the OFF (not LOCK) position for a moment then tried to restart. It fired up, I shoved it into 3rd and merged back into traffic. On the remainder of the trip home, it shut down another 5 times. Using the same solution, while coasting I restarted the engine and kept moving.
I guess the throttle body injector isn't the problem after all. Anyone have any other possibilities?
Post by: TopNotch on July 13, 2014, 10:05:21 am
Post by: Fierofool on July 13, 2014, 10:40:10 am
Post by: TopNotch on July 13, 2014, 11:00:56 am
Post by: Fierofool on July 13, 2014, 04:10:31 pm
I'm now kind of glad that Ray's friend who was supposed to drive the Coupe didn't show up. I thought the stalling problem was cured. It could have been bad news if that had happened to him while on the interstate, not knowing to turn it off and restart.
I need to find the fuel pressure gauge and check for pressure and bleed down.
Post by: Raydar on July 13, 2014, 11:07:08 pm
I'm guessing that this system works similar to the V6 in that the ECM turns on the relay, which runs the pump.
I'm also guessing that the oil pressure sender supplies a backup to the ecm/relay circuit.
Based upon those suppositions, I would disconnect the oil sender, and see if it starts and runs at all.
If it does, I would reconnect the oil sender and unplug the fuel pump relay and see if it still cranks and runs.
You might be able to draw conclusions from the results.
The fact that it restarted after turning the key off and then on (and start) also leads me to believe that if it died again, you might be able to leave it in gear and just cycle the key. The forward momentum would serve to start the engine.
If it requires an actual switch to the start position, it might indicate a failure in one of the ignition circuits. (Again, based upon the premise that the V6 ICM has different start and run circuits. I'm guessing that the Duke ICM is similar.)
Of course, it's not a bad idea to check the fuel pump and hose. But stuff is always easier to fix if it will stay "broke".
Working in telecommunications, I always hated those mysterious "miracle fixes". They always seemed to "unfix" themselves at an inopportune time. Usually at 3:00 AM, on a week when I was on call.
Post by: Fierofool on July 14, 2014, 09:18:08 am
I guess I could try the relay and pressure sender disconnect tests even without it stalling. Just by disconnecting them should have the same effect? I think Pat has already replaced the ICM and the crankshaft sensor.
Post by: Raydar on July 14, 2014, 10:32:54 pm
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I guess I could try the relay and pressure sender disconnect tests even without it stalling. Just by disconnecting them should have the same effect? I think Pat has already replaced the ICM and the crankshaft sensor.
Since there are two separate circuits that can power the fuel pump, I was just wondering if one of them might be failed outright, and then the other one is "breaking down" and causing the stall. If it runs on both circuits, then the problem could be something else.
If you got an inductive timing light with enough cable to reach into the cabin, it might be worthwhile to connect it and leave it connected while driving around. If the engine stalls, pull the trigger and see if you still have spark. Probably would be better if you have a passenger. Could get distracting.
Post by: TopNotch on July 14, 2014, 10:47:37 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 14, 2014, 10:58:50 pm
Problem is, that you might have to drive around for months before it happens. I suppose that should it happen, just stop with the ignition on and if you have a passenger, have them try starting it without turning off the ignition first. If no spark, then we know it isn't fuel. I do believe it's fuel related though because there's no raw fuel or flooding when it stalls, even if you leave the clutch engaged so whatever it is, it cuts off the fuel supply.
Does the 88 Duke need spark signal for the FP or injector to operate? Our previous solution was to tap on the injector while cranking.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 05, 2017, 12:34:27 pm
Post by: Fierofool on February 05, 2017, 03:58:36 pm
It actually seems to be electric related because when running 70 down the interstate and it shuts down, restarting it doesn't throw a big cloud of raw exhaust. If using the starter to restart, it fires right up, normally after the ignition has been turned off for 5 seconds or so. When it shuts down, it doesn't sputter or backfire. It just acts as if the ignition switch was turned off.