Post by: Donster on February 18, 2011, 03:29:47 pm
Last weekend I replaced the water-pump, as I was told that the bearings were shot, so off I went and replaced it
The pump doesn't leak, but I had leaks elsewhere and planned to get around to them this weekend
Today the new water-pump started making the same noise and I could tell the belt was getting hot (it had snapped on me twice before, and that's when the bad water-pump started making sense). So to make sure, I adjusted the tension on the belt via alternator a bit, same noise...and then..........car won't start anymore
Cranks, but nothing else.
I know I'm a layman, but I have some knowledge of basic automechanics, I have sparks/ignition and I get fuel, but she won't fire up.
I'm also smart enough to know how dumb I am, so I need help.
Anyone willing to come out to my place and inspect her? Compensated of course.
HELP!
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Post by: Fierofool on February 18, 2011, 05:37:22 pm
Post by: Donster on February 18, 2011, 05:46:41 pm
And yes, have hydraulic jack and stands
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Post by: Donster on February 19, 2011, 09:20:44 am
Anybody have an idea?
Post by: Donster on February 19, 2011, 10:26:18 pm
Can't express how much I appreciate it enough.
Swapping alternator in the AM, will update.
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Post by: Donster on February 20, 2011, 02:19:48 pm
Post by: Donster on February 20, 2011, 07:55:24 pm
Overwhelmed with all the hints and tips I've been getting here in the forum >:(
Post by: TopNotch on February 20, 2011, 09:35:34 pm
Post by: Donster on February 20, 2011, 10:23:49 pm
All dry there, inspected closely today while replacing the alternator and replacing the oil filter.
Although the water pump itself is not leaking, I am fearful the leak may be close to where the water-pump mount is connected to the engine. Also no water seeping out of the weep-hole.
Tires Plus had it up on a lift and couldn't locate it, Service Stations of America told me it was the Thermostat Housing, which they replaced and that is also leaking strongly again after less than a week. They didn't burp the system after replacing all that and I just noticed in time she was getting hot.
Post by: Fierofool on February 20, 2011, 10:31:43 pm
Just saw Don's new post. I'm checking the P22 manual. I suspected the water pump mount might be the problem. I'll let you know what I find in the book.
Post by: Donster on February 20, 2011, 10:33:34 pm
What is it and where can I get it if I need it?
Disregard, found and downloaded it @ FieroNews.net
Post by: Fierofool on February 20, 2011, 10:54:21 pm
The Haynes manual says to put a 1/8 bead of RTV on the pump as a sealant gasket, but Don says the 84 has a very thin paper gasket that should be applied dry or with just a small amount of copper gasket sealant. He said it's very sensitive to pieces of old gaskets, tears and nicks.
Post by: Donster on February 20, 2011, 11:48:04 pm
Post by: TopNotch on February 22, 2011, 02:29:14 pm
Post by: Donster on February 22, 2011, 08:39:43 pm
PM me your address and a good time to come look. At least I would be able to orientate myself as to what I may be dealing with.
Thnx.
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Post by: TopNotch on February 22, 2011, 09:01:59 pm
Post by: Donster on February 22, 2011, 09:03:31 pm
Post by: Donster on February 24, 2011, 04:18:39 pm
I CANNOT FIND this darn leak!
Desperate Don
Post by: Donster on February 24, 2011, 06:42:11 pm
Post by: Donster on February 24, 2011, 07:18:40 pm
Water pump/alternator/harmonic balancer belt
????
Post by: TopNotch on February 24, 2011, 10:25:23 pm
Post by: Fierofool on February 24, 2011, 10:40:20 pm
Pat, the pump is brand new. The alternator was swapped out for one from the parts car, so if it is still squealing, it wouldn't be in either of those.
Post by: Donster on February 24, 2011, 10:53:52 pm
But to answer your question Pat, they turn easy, pump has just a bit of resistance, but they also turn real quiet, so I think it may be an allignment issue, or I just totally messed things up somehow when I installed the new water pump
Post by: Donster on February 25, 2011, 07:08:58 pm
Replaced the gasket/O-Ring in the thermostat housing, no more leak there
Installed a new (again) water pump, as I'm getting good at it. Again, the water pump is not leaking, but I stll have a leak somewhere in that area.
While the pump was out, I tried looking at the water pump mount/adapter and couldn't see anything, especially no leaks, so I'm pretty much lost now.
Post by: Donster on February 26, 2011, 10:31:36 pm
Post by: Donster on February 27, 2011, 07:55:39 pm
For once I ran into absolutely no issues all day taking the panels, fenders and roof off of the 84. Little feeling of success creeping up and making me all warm and fuzzy.
Still leaking though.
Post by: Donster on February 28, 2011, 06:43:19 pm
Kewl
Post by: TopNotch on February 28, 2011, 10:03:24 pm
Still leaking though.
Is it still leaking a lot, or just a little? If just a little, have you considered adding stop leak? If it works, fine. If not, you're going to have to drop the engine anyway.
Post by: Donster on February 28, 2011, 10:20:36 pm
My fear is that the water pump mount on the block is cracked, which would account for 3 chewed-up belts since I've had it. A crack in the mount/adapter would possibly give enough tolerance, so that the pump no longer runs true to the other pullies and eventually fries the bearings and snaps the belt.
Found numerous people on Pennock's describing the the identical issues.
But in either case, you're right, the motor needs to come out, which I'm not capable of doing on my own. Like I mentioned before:
I'm smart enough to know how dumb I am.
And I'm still waiting on either Ashby or his son to get in touch with me, but I've just about given up on that. I'll try to find a local shop that's willing to do the work.
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Post by: Fierofool on February 28, 2011, 10:54:00 pm
Post by: Donster on March 01, 2011, 07:59:09 am
Post by: Fierofool on March 01, 2011, 11:03:16 am
Kevin donated a radio and rear speakers and thank you for the donation of the instrument panel housing. The one on the Duke is weather cracked very badly.
Post by: oldone on March 01, 2011, 11:42:18 am
Post by: oldone on March 01, 2011, 12:00:00 pm
Post by: Donster on March 01, 2011, 12:56:31 pm
Yes. It's on row 201. BTW, when you stripped out the 86 did you get the speaker mounting plates inside the B pillars? There is an adapter of sorts that must be used. The Lil' Duke Coupe didn't come with rear speakers so it probably doesn't have the adapter mounting plates.
Kevin donated a radio and rear speakers and thank you for the donation of the instrument panel housing. The one on the Duke is weather cracked very badly.
First, you're welcome for the IP Housing.
Second, I need the speaker mounting plates for the 84, as I actually want to have the pillar speakers (which the 84 didn't come with) in addition to the head-rest speakers, sorry.
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Post by: Donster on March 01, 2011, 12:58:42 pm
don i don't know where you live but if you start looking for another shop theres one in cartersville called " 41 auto repair service " that will work on fieros. its owned by a mexican gentleman called cirillo. he's installed a water pump for me a couple of years ago and know problems yet. i know its not next door to you but you might keep it in mind for future reference. the phone # is 1-678-431-3629
Thanks for the info, but being in Buford, it's a bit out of my way, but I'll keep it in mind.
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Post by: Fierofool on March 01, 2011, 05:44:20 pm
OldOne, the Duke has the cluster there. The housing was sun baked and cracked badly. Don gave me one that he had removed the cluster from. Just exactly what I needed. I can install the 88 cluster into it.
Post by: Donster on March 01, 2011, 08:09:00 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 01, 2011, 09:06:37 pm
Post by: Donster on March 02, 2011, 10:28:16 am
Too bad I never heard back from either Ashby or Lee. >:(
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Post by: RobsFieros on March 02, 2011, 12:51:19 pm
Post by: Donster on March 02, 2011, 01:18:09 pm
I have followed the threads and know what kind of predicament you are in after the accident. You offering help despite your situation shows the kind of caliber person you are and I truly appreciate it.
To counter; if you weren't 150 miles away up North, I'd come to you. ;D
Thnx,
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Post by: Donster on March 06, 2011, 04:37:52 pm
Still leaks badly
Maybe a Fiero just isn't for me, as I'm running out of patience, time and money.
What frustrates me most is that this is actually an awesome Duke with low mileage (around 40k) and the only reason I bought the car.
Post by: Fierofool on March 06, 2011, 06:06:43 pm
Mel and I have appointments every day this week so the first day I'll have to go down there with you is Sunday. Then the next day I will have is Thursday the 17th.
Post by: Donster on March 06, 2011, 06:56:28 pm
I'll manage.
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Post by: Fierofool on March 06, 2011, 07:41:24 pm
Post by: RobsFieros on March 07, 2011, 09:43:19 am
Post by: Donster on March 07, 2011, 09:57:37 am
Post by: cogcaviz24 on March 07, 2011, 06:52:12 pm
Post by: Donster on March 07, 2011, 09:17:20 pm
i like your avatar ;D
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Post by: Donster on March 08, 2011, 11:24:54 am
ThaDriver has offered his help, so I'll be taking her to his shop sometime this week to see if we can finally put this to rest and then I think I'm going to try and sell the car once fixed. Or sell even if it's not fixed.
Here is what she looks like now:
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Post by: Donster on March 08, 2011, 05:05:22 pm
i like your avatar ;D
But did you notice, my avatar is a chop-top! ;D
Post by: cogcaviz24 on March 08, 2011, 07:04:43 pm
Post by: oldone on March 09, 2011, 06:07:52 pm
Post by: Donster on March 09, 2011, 06:19:52 pm
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Post by: Donster on March 09, 2011, 06:53:32 pm
i like your avatar ;D
Not only a Chop-Top now, but also has a GT Wing on it
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Post by: Donster on March 11, 2011, 09:44:18 pm
SUCCESS! Arrived at Paul's today after driving about 50 miles, and obviously running the engine for a while with additive in it did the trick!
She's bone-dry underneath, got back home after another 50 miles and checked, DRY!
Ran at about 180 degrees there and back, no water missing. Did about 75 -90 mph on the way home - no issues.
The sqealing came from my second bad alternator, which Paul noticed right away, got a new one, Paul installed it and she's a nice little driving car again, just idles a bit high. All she needs now is a new coat of paint.
Much obliged Paul, you're awesome!
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Post by: Tha Driver on March 12, 2011, 04:56:47 am
Was a pleasure meeting & chatting with you & your wife. Glad the lil' duke is running well again.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Doing the work of 3 men: Larry, Mo, and Curly.
Post by: meatloafsandwich on March 12, 2011, 08:37:22 pm
Does this mean that you don't need the water pump mounting plate?
BTW... The wheels look great! And I don't know who enjoyed the first ride in 4 years more, Me or the car!!!
Thanks a bunch for your help
Robert
Post by: Donster on March 12, 2011, 10:12:58 pm
Sorry, I wanted to send you an email and tell you I don't need the plate anymore, hope you didn't pick it up already.
Glad you like the wheels, was my pleasure parting with them ;D
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Post by: Donster on March 13, 2011, 10:03:23 pm
BTW, when you stripped out the 86 did you get the speaker mounting plates inside the B pillars? There is an adapter of sorts that must be used. The Lil' Duke Coupe didn't come with rear speakers so it probably doesn't have the adapter mounting plates.
Still need them? Turns out the lil' 84 Dukie (My wife's name for it ;D) doensn't have the holes inside the pillars (in the metal under the panel), so I have the oval speakers AND the mounting plates.
Let me know.
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Post by: Fierofool on March 13, 2011, 10:41:14 pm
I sorted through my wheels and got the 4 with the best finish, had the nails removed from the tires, so now it's roadworthy, but the rear brakes are worn almost to their limits. Got to install the new pads I bought.
Post by: Donster on March 13, 2011, 10:42:58 pm
But look under the panels to see if the holes are cut into the metal, or you won't be able to mount speakers there.
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Post by: Fierofool on March 14, 2011, 07:59:02 am
Post by: Donster on March 14, 2011, 08:47:00 am
Post by: sixgun6 on March 19, 2011, 09:33:33 pm
Post by: Donster on March 19, 2011, 11:27:37 pm
Also have corrected the electrical issue.
Seems that after the alternator was replaced, the radio started cutting out while driving, sometimes it wouldn't start and sometimes the starter was really stuttering or there was absolutely NO POWER AT ALL, no chime, no gauge lights, nothing, completely dead.
Wiggling the positive cable would restore power, so I jacked the car up, got underneath and checked the cable on the starter: Nut was completely loose. Tightened it up and problem went away.
All good now
Thank you to everybody that provided help and tips and hints, especially FieroFool, ThaDriver & Aerodonamic.
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Post by: Donster on March 23, 2011, 08:46:17 am
After about 400 miles, still no leak and running nice and quiet.
High RPMs were due to a vacuum leak, hose replaced, fixed, idles at approx 1k, warm or cold
Dare I say she's ready for Tybee Island? ;D
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Post by: TopNotch on March 23, 2011, 03:21:26 pm
Dare I say she's ready for Tybee Island? ;D
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At the very least, for the club meeting on April 9.
Post by: Donster on March 23, 2011, 03:27:51 pm
Any word on the 2011 club decals?
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Post by: TopNotch on March 23, 2011, 05:59:16 pm
Post by: 85GT on March 24, 2011, 08:46:32 am
Post by: Donster on March 24, 2011, 09:15:27 am
Still interested in the seats?
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