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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: January 05, 2013, 09:48:15 pm »

Good show! I'm happy that it worked out for you. Based on what I read, I didn't think it would, but it appears I misunderstood. (Or Paulding just doesn't care.)
I'm guessing you had to pay a $10 late fee... right?

Yeah but that's nothing compared to buying emissions equipment just to get it passed for 1 more year

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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: January 05, 2013, 03:17:22 pm »

It worked, just like Don said it would. I didn't register it in 2012, just went up there with my title yesterday and asked to register the car. All they cared about was that its 2013 and the car's an '88. My birthday being only 3 weeks ago didn't matter.

For anyone who wants to register a '88 and didn't do it in 2012, you can probably do the same thing. You won't need to get it passed 1 last time.

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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: December 20, 2012, 03:27:16 pm »

Are you being sarcastic? lol.

And I guess I'll get in touch with Don and see what he says.

Didn't mean to be. I live in Paulding. Barely. I can throw a rock and hit Douglas County.
I was thinking you lived in Bartow or further north. Forgot how far Paulding extended.

I have a Rodney cat if you want to buy it. Only a few hundred miles on it.
As for the missing EGR, you might get away with out it. Back your timing off a few degrees, and add a gallon of Naphtha to a tank of premium gas. My 4.9 had EGR, which the Allante intake deleted. It still passed, using the methods above.
There are tons of "failed with high NOX" (i.e. bad EGR) threads on Pennocks.

If your ECM is still tuned for EGR, that's a whole 'nother issue.

Why I'd like to register it in such a way that I can just register it again in a month or something and not need emissions. A friend of mine says it should work.

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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: December 18, 2012, 01:17:07 pm »

Paulding?

Steve, Don did something like this, its why I was wondering. I've been trying to get in contact with him to ask about it.

Didn't realize that you were in Paulding too. Thought you were way out in the sticks.

Are you being sarcastic? lol.

And I guess I'll get in touch with Don and see what he says.

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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: December 17, 2012, 11:59:19 am »

I always understood that if the car was not tagged because it didn't run, and then becomes too old to require emissions, that it still has to pass that one time, in order to be tagged.

I have a friend who used to run an emissions business. I'll ask him.
What county do you live in? Might not need it anyway.

Paulding?

Steve, Don did something like this, its why I was wondering. I've been trying to get in contact with him to ask about it.

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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: December 16, 2012, 12:35:38 pm »

So I was wondering if I could register it as non-operational, which doesn't require emissions, then register it next year and they might use 2013 rules? In that case I wouldn't need emissions?

Yes you can. You'll still have to pay the taxes, but not the registration. I've been doing that with my Formula that doesn't run.

Yeah, so I wouldn't even pay back taxes next year right? But, could I let's say, register as non-op now for 2012, then in January register it as op and have it be for 2013? That would get me around emissions.

Roger, my 88GT doesn't have a cat or EGR. I could get a $50 ebay cat and slap it on, but then there's still the issue of my headers not having a provision for an EGR valve. Don mentioned he did something like this with 1 of his cars, so I'm hoping I can just figure out a way to just register it next year and not have to mess around with emissions equipment. Since there's technically only 2 more weeks that 88 Fieros have to pass emissions.

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General Discussion / Re: Emissions?

« on: December 15, 2012, 11:54:21 pm »

They do it on a yearly basis, so for 2012, 1987 and older have been emissions exempt. Once January hits, 2013 registration will take effect and 1988 and older will be exempt. What I'm wondering is if there's some way to just register it next year. From what I've heard, you have to pay back tax on it and late fees, but that would only be around $40/year of back tax and about $20 in late fees. It would cost a lot more to just get emissions equipment to pass once.

So I was wondering if I could register it as non-operational, which doesn't require emissions, then register it next year and they might use 2013 rules? In that case I wouldn't need emissions?

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General Discussion / Emissions?

« on: December 15, 2012, 08:53:02 pm »

My birthday is tomorrow, so my registration is expiring. My 88GT is 24 years old, about to be 25 in 2 weeks. If I just wait 2-3 weeks until January, then register it, will it be for 2013 and I'll be paying back registration for 2012? Or can I not register it for 2013 until around my birthday next year? A friend of mine did something like this with his car but didn't explain it very well.

"Additionally, vehicles that are 25 model years or older are exempt from emission testing. This includes 1987 or older model year vehicles. If you are late renewing your registration for your birthday in 2012, your vehicle will be tested according to the 2012 rules. ""

Does that answer my own question? It seems like, according to the rules, they'd just count it as late, charge me a late fee and test me according to 2012's rules?

But that gives me another question. What if I register it as non-op for 2012? Then in a month or 2, attempt to register it as op for 2013?

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Club News / Re: 2011 Atlanta St. Patricks Day Parade

« on: March 15, 2011, 01:02:40 am »

So many people have changed their emails and haven't updated their profile that I quit sending emails.  I deleted the ones that kept coming back as undeliverable.  All my emails to you had gone unanswered for quite some time, even when I was trying to hook you up with Lee. 

Because there are so many that aren't registered with our forum, I started this thread back in January hoping that anyone interested would at least check the forum at least once.  Since everyone has different questions, it's best to ask and answer them on the forum so everyone can get the same information.  Sorry you missed a very impressive crowd and a wonderful day for a parade.  A little paint fade on the top could have been covered with decorations.

What e-mail address did you send those e-mails to? nathanjames@netslinger.com ? I haven't checked that e-mail in years, my current one is my username, at gmail.com . I don't like just posting it on the web, that's one way spammers get your e-mail address. In fact that's why I stopped using that old e-mail address, I was getting around 50-100 spam messages a day and not much else, so eventually I just stopped checking it. I guess it was my fault anyways, for some reason I thought that since St. Patrick's Day is later in the week this year that the parade might be on the 19th, so I didn't check gafiero.org until today.

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Club News / Re: 2011 Atlanta St. Patricks Day Parade

« on: March 14, 2011, 10:54:39 pm »

Damn, no one called or e-mailed me? I forgot that the parade is usually before St. Pats, ah well. The clear is going bad on the roof of my '88GT anyways, and I sold my '86 Fiero about a month ago, so I guess I couldn't have really participated anyways. I also haven't washed my '88 GT in months .

I could've come out in my MR2, but I bet you guys would've lynched me lol . Its green though, so it would've just blended in, and if anyone asked I could've just said it was a kitcar .

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Tech Tips, Tech Questions / Re: Trueleo Intake Help

« on: February 12, 2011, 08:22:23 pm »

I don't see how its an issue. As Charlie said, EGR only works when the car's decelerating. If you've got a manual Fiero, then its supposed to have DFCO. That means if its in gear above 1800RPM, with no throttle input (full vacuum) its supposed to stop firing the injectors and just let the engine turn with the transmission/wheels. At 1800RPM the idle picks back up and it starts firing the injectors again. You can feel it if you engine-brake in a manual Fiero, it'll buck slightly at 1800RPM, that's DFCO turning off and the the idle picking back up. With DFCO there shouldn't be any fuel entering the engine at all, its just air with residual fuel from the lower intake, and some exhaust gasses if you have functional EGR. I don't know why it doesn't run hot and/or doesn't knock, I'm guessing its because as the engine decelerates there's no load on it, and it might also be because there's no A/F charge to ignite.

It might cause problems with an automatic Fiero though. There's no DFCO so on deceleration it might depend on EGR to balance out the A/F ratio. Even then there's no load on the engine so I don't think it'd knock that bad, or burn a piston.

Charlie, are you sure EGR only works when the car decelerates? I thought it was supposed to be functional at all times, to add a little bit of exhaust to the A/F mix going into the engine to get better gas mileage and reduce emissions. Does it only work on deceleration because when you lift off the gas some unburned fuel enters the exhaust and having it rerouted to the intake reduces emissions?

Personally, I think EGR is useless. My '86 Fiero passed emissions without a functional EGR valve, and I didn't even have to play with the timing or tune. I'm pretty sure its something engineers came up with to make it look like they're making cars more efficient....when it really doesn't do much of anything, besides maybe lower NOx emissions slightly.

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General Fiero Discussion / Woodstock Fiero Shop

« on: August 02, 2009, 07:54:49 pm »

A couple of meets back there were these guys there from Woodstock who specialized in performance work on Fieros, anyone know who they were? I just got my 88 GT on the road again, but its having some exhaust issues. Basically, all the welds on the stock manifolds are cracking and the car is getting some pretty bad exhaust leaks. So much so it seems like its running on 5 cylinders sometimes. Long-tube headers from West Coast Fiero cost the same as stock replacements from the Fierostore, so I'm going to order them tomorrow. I just need a shop to do the work, and I'm not going with someone who doesn't know Fieros.

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General Fiero Discussion / Re: Have you seen a Fiero today?

« on: August 02, 2009, 07:43:15 pm »

Yup, I was on Thornton Rd./US 278 about an hour ago driving my 88 GT and I saw a red Formula going the other way. Is that anyone here?

Yesterday I saw one too, Don came over and helped fix my 88 GT so I saw his '86 SE parked in my driveway for a while, lol.

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The Market / '86 Fiero GT 4spd

« on: February 06, 2009, 03:39:44 pm »

And 1 picture with my '88 GT, the '86 GT doesn't look that bad:


From what I can tell its a '86 Fiero GT 4-speed with a re-paint to monotone factory bright red. There's some slight body damage, stuff that won't just buff out, and the taillights+quarter windows aren't in the best shape. Maybe it runs though, with the 4-speed its a V6 for sure, so it'd be a good car for someone. I've seen it in the same spot since October, its located by the Burger Inn at the intersection of Canton Hwy and Hwy 92 in Woodstock. I don't know price or anything, if you guys are interested in the car call the number in the pictures. I'm not the one selling the car, so don't contact me about it. I tried to call the guy selling it but it was a little late and he didn't pick up, I'm pretty sure the car is still for sale if its sitting out there like that.

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General Fiero Discussion / Re: Our First 3800 SC Swap

« on: January 27, 2009, 08:49:06 pm »

Any chance you could do this same swap on my '86 Fiero? Maybe with a 3800SC Series 3 (260 hp?)? I'd like to keep the 4-speed manual, possibly swapping a couple gears. Could you send me a PM?