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Author Topic: Want to buy an 88' model  (Read 17145 times)

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Want to buy an 88' model
« on: December 26, 2011, 08:08:55 pm »
I'm looking to see if anyone has an 88' for sale. Anything from a base 4 cylinder on up in the less than $2500 range. Maybe can spend a little more. I am aware of the 2 cars Oldone has for sale and am going to look at them this week, just seeing what else might be out there. I wanted to check on 88's before fixing up my 87' base. Thanks Michael

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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 07:40:05 pm »
I decided to fix up my 87' notch back and not purchase another car. I did want to share a couple of cars I came across in my search. One is about 4 hours from Atlanta up near Johnson City TN  and the other in Lewisburg TN. I haven't seen either car in person.

http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/2779766310.html   Texted back and forth with the owner of this car. Nice guy

http://huntsville.craigslist.org/cto/2748625851.html  Never checked on this car but it is a 3800 swap.

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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 07:58:29 pm »
The part in the photo on the 3800 looks like a digital EGR valve. 

Ron Rizzi of this forum has 3 Fieros for sale.  One owner 84SE, probably with less than 40K, 2 88GT's, I think one is under 100K and the other under 50K.  Garage kept or under cover when parked.  His user name is red2m4. 
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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 09:07:10 pm »
........... P.S. Joined the club tonight!

Awesome! Welcome to our little world of fanatics! ;D

Coming to WhoDeanie's next weekend or our meeting weekend after next?
Would be great to see you there.

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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 01:21:45 pm »
........... P.S. Joined the club tonight!

Awesome! Welcome to our little world of fanatics! ;D

Coming to WhoDeanie's next weekend or our meeting weekend after next?
Would be great to see you there.

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I am going down for at least 1 of the days at Whodeanies and will try to do the meeting too.

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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 04:10:43 pm »
Fierofool.....What would cause a digital EGR to burn up like that? Just curious

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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 04:26:14 pm »
The valve should be mounted on an exhaust pipe.  If it came unbolted and fell on a manifold it wouldn't last very long.  You should have an exhaust as well as a vacuum leak if it has come loose.  After I post this, I'll go back and look at the pic again to be sure it's an EGR valve.

Whodeanie or Lee Arnette should be able to resolve any problems with a 3800. 

The EGR on my wife's 3800 looks different, but the one pictured looks similar to some of the other GM EGR valves.  I suppose on a conversion, any digital GM EGR could be used if you built a mounting surface on the exhaust. 
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 04:34:47 pm by Fierofool »
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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 05:54:08 pm »
I wondered if it was as simple as the valve breaking off and cooking on the exhaust. I did talk to the seller and he said his brother had a Fiero specialist near his home in Shreveport do the swap apparently quite a few years back. I don't know how long these 3800SC swaps have been around. I may go take a look at the car as I have to go to Nashville on Monday anyway.
 I don't know if it's worth his asking price not running as I can't check out all the systems. The seller said it cranks but doesn't start and that there are several wires around that area that are toasted too. So much for me thinking I would just fix up my 87'. I couldn't keep the car off my mind!!
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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 09:53:10 pm »
My biggest concern is loading this car with the rear wheels on a uhaul dolly with the car not running. Since the car is an auto I have to tow it with the rear wheels on the dolly. Is there a place to hook up a come a long underneath the rear of the car to crank it up on a tow dolly and not damage anything?

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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 10:34:49 pm »
Just about anywhere on the cradle is OK.
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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 11:06:25 pm »
You can hook onto the lower a-arms or wrap the cable over the crossmember.  Just be careful on curves.  I've got a Dodge with a factory towing package and I've had some unstable moments when towing one backwards. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2012, 07:57:55 pm »
I'm not in any way an expert on 3800 swaps so I had a few questions. This car has a 93' model 3800 so that makes it a series 1. If I wanted to put in a series 2 would I be able to use the same mounts and transmission? What about the wiring assuming they installed the computer from the 93' Buick and adapted the wiring harness. I figure getting the car running and driving with the current engine would be easy but wanted to consider future upgrades.

Fierofool......How bad are you talking with the car getting scary in the curves? Something towing it at 45 MPH would cure?

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 10:18:44 pm »
The first time I had problems was when the guy we purchased from had loaded the car onto the dolly with the rear wheels up.  My tires were decent, but weren't 100% and it had just started to sprinkle rain when we pulled out.  The first curve I came to at about 45 mph, the rear of the truck tried to come around.  I was meeting a Jeep in the curve and I wig-wagged it all the way through, partially on his side of the road.  Before I delivered it to Tennessee to have another engine installed, I put the front wheels up.  I drove up over the mountains, running at the speed limit without any problems.  The pavement was dry and it was a manual transmission. 

Many people have pulled them backwards for many miles without problems, but I can feel the difference in how it makes the truck feel on curves.  It might be better just to rent a trailer to haul it on.  If you rent a tow dolly, don't tell them you're towing a Fiero or they'll refuse to rent to you and if it's an aero nose, (GT, Indy, 86 or 87 SE) take along a couple of bricks and 2 2 x 6's about 3 ft long to put under the ramps to prevent damaging the bumpers when loading/unloading.  Tell them you're towing a minivan or a Honda CRV. 

3800 swaps have been around for a good while.  Loyde Rascoe in Dallas, Tx. was among the first, if not the first to pretty much perfect it.  I know very little about the differences of the Series I, II, and III engines, but there are differences in ECM's and transmission control.  I recently read that some of the Buick engines have some differences from the other GM 3800's, but what that difference is, I don't know.  If you contacted Whodeanie's Customs in Woodstock, he may be able to answer your questions.  You can find him in our Members List or call him at 77 Oh, ate fore won, ate one 5 fore. 
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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 09:48:20 am »
The series III electronics uses a "fly by wire" throttle. I saw a car at one of the Fiero Factory swap meets with a series III in it, and the owner told me that he used series II electronics, because he didn't like the idea of a "fly by wire" throttle.
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Re: Want to buy an 88' model
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 01:08:45 pm »
I think the 4T series transmissions on those early years were vacuum controlled and the later years became ECM controlled.  Some of the transplants like one of the Cadillac engines required the Cadillac ECM be piggybacked on the Fiero ECM.  The Fiero ECM controlled the engine and the Cadillac ECM controlled the transmission, as I understand it. 
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