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Roger

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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2012, 09:36:10 pm »
How about this from the Fiero On-Line Service Guide?


My computer won't flash any codes. Could there be a bad connection somewhere, or is the computer shot?"

The computer should flash a 1-2 code three times before and after any stored trouble codes. Since yours does not, I'll put my money on a bad computer.

However try this to make sure:

Remove the connector (it was a white connector in 84) from the computer. The Check engine light should go off. If it does not, there is a short on the wire leading to the light. Fix the short and don't read on :)
Reconnect the ECM connectors. Make sure there is a good ground to the diagnostic terminal (B). You might also want to try putting a ground at the ECM connector wired to terminal (B) (white connector pin #3 in 84). If either of these gets you a 1-2 code, your computer is good, but the wiring ECM to diagnostic gounding terminal A or bad wiring from ECM to terminal B.
If all this fails to give you a 1-2 code, open the ECM and carefully remove the PROM. Be careful not to bend the pins, and remember which way it was installed.
Make sure the ignition is _OFF_ before you remove the PROM.

After the PROM is out, turn on the key, ground the diagnostic terminal and look for a 5-1 code. If you get the 5-1, you need a new PROM, it not, you need a new ECM box. However, you should check for low resistance between the ECM box and various solenoid terminals before replacing the ECM: TCC solenoid (if automatic), A/C relay (if equiped) and Cooling fan relay. If these measure less than 20 ohms, they will kill the new ECM box very quickly. If they all measure more than 20 ohms, just replace the box.

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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2012, 10:44:02 pm »
Roger

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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 11:17:28 pm »
Steve! I said the picture below is a sample! Look more closely and you'll see it's actually a screenshot from a V6!  ;D
 
Was using it for demonstration only
 
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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2012, 08:46:44 pm »
Whoo Yaa!

Thanks to the Fiero On-Line Service Guide, we tracked the problem to a broken ground wire, right at a GM splice!

Happy Happy Joy Joy!!!

Don and Anna did all the hard work, and I stumbled on it.

Now if I could only figure out why I can't get my GT started??? again.

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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2012, 09:02:01 pm »
LOL @ Anne and I did all the hard work! The hardest thing Anne did was bake a cake in your honor, and I just stood around looking stupid (not hard work for me ;D)
 
You are fabulous!
 
But of course a 1984 Fiero wouldn't be a 1984 Fiero, if something new hadn't poped up. Replaced the Temp-Fan switch and the fan still won't kick in! @!$$!&$%!
 
Shorted the low speed side for right now so at least it cools down.
Thanks for the tip with drilling the hole in the thermostat - worked like a charm without burping.
 
Put the PurplHaze back together and checked timing again, seems right on the mark and runs nice and even.
 
Thanks a million Roger. Now please get me the contact info of the welder/muffler/exhaust guy so we can get her leak taken care of.
 
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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 09:48:09 pm »
Glad it's going. I'll be really happy when Shanine is pleased with it.
Take that DMM and check for continuity between the case of the fan switch and the block. If there's 0 ohms there then that switch either closes at a higher temp than required or is just kaput. We both know that the rest is okay.

Here's the muffler stuff:

Mega Muffler

151 N Broad St (Hwy 53)
at West New St.,
2 blocks east of Quality Foods on the left

Winder, GA 30680      (770) 867-7728

I think he's closed Sunday and Monday.
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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2012, 12:04:46 pm »
After much searching I've found that a lot of places are willing to sell you a 'switch' that is actually a sensor. A sensor sure as heck ain't gonna work.
So,

The following part numbers can be found (or ordered)
at Advance Auto Parts in the GP Sorensen line.

These sensors all have a 3/8"-18 NPT thread.

FS6 - Closes at 204*-220* F- Retail $21.59
FS4 - Closes at 211*-227* F- Retail $8.69
FS1 - Closes at 222*-238* F- Retail $9.49

Then, Rodney sells one for $24 that has a lower switching temp that may be more applicable to the situation.
You'll have to change the connector (which can be had at boneyards for next to nothing).
I'd hook it up to the low speed wire just to keep the fan noise down or, use 'bullet' type connectors so in an extreme summer or a lot of in-traffic driving you could switch over to the high speed wire easily.

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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2012, 03:12:18 pm »
Sounds like a bad ground at the ADLA connector.

Missed that. Robbie was actually right all along

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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2012, 11:14:24 am »
OK, so I shorted out the fan switch (low speed side) so that the fan always runs, as opposed to not running at all.
Anne calls me and says the fan won't turn off, even with the ignition off! ??
Had them disconnect the battery. As soon as they reconnect the battery, fan kicks back in!
Stumped
 
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Re: Check Engine light - 84 automatic
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2012, 10:33:24 pm »
OK, now we have gone from "Check Engine Soon" light to bad ground to fan issues to the newest symptom: Starter won't crank
Battery is charged
 
I can understand our daughter's frustration now, this is hard for a young adult that needs her car to get to work and hang out with freinds with her (currently not so) cool little car. I truly understand her and feel sorry for her and I am getting frustrated too
 
Argh!!!
 
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