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Small car drivers...not Fieros
« on: January 07, 2017, 03:28:39 pm »
I drove past the empty compact parking near the building, all the way to the full-size parking.  My truck filled the spot.  A mini-cooper pulled up next to me, but too close.  He slammed his opening door into my truck, then yelled at me about my parking too close.  I suggested he park at least in the middle of his spot, to which he released a string of profanity. Maybe it's a small car thing.

Then I went to eat, and saw a Ford Fungus parked straddling the line (double parked). I often believe we were better off without power steering, with cars the size of boats, and with iffy tires and handling.  Perhaps that'd get a bunch of bad drivers off the road.  There would be fewer cars, and therefore lower emissions.  People would have to walk more, so they'd be in better shape, and would be less apt to cut each other off or flick you their IQ.  Rush hour wouldn't be as bad, we wouldn't use as much fossil fuel, fewer cars would need to be scrapped, and we'd use less materials.  Less demand would decrease car prices and gas prices.  The auto repair shops and car salespeople wouldn't have to deal with as many ignorant car owners.  The busses and taxis would have more fares, people wouldn't make frivilous trips to the stores, online stores would get more business, and truck drivers/other couriers would get more business. Once people got to a store, they would be more inclined to buy to make their trip worthwhile. Welfare recipients would have motivation to get a job, because it would be harder to collect money, due to the reporting aspect.  Perhaps, people would actually treat each other like people and say "hi".  Well, except New York.  Otherwise, a bunch of happy people.

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Re: Small car drivers...not Fieros
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 04:30:13 pm »
Hey!  I remember those days.  Biggest problem with parking was not stepping out into a pile of mule droppings from the team that had been parked there earlier.  There were no painted lines to indicate where to park.  Anyway, paint lines on dirt wouldn't stay there very long.  Car doors were made of heavier metal and it took a small sledge to dent them.  The paint had lots of lead in it so it didn't fade or chip.  Small cars were A or T Model Fords or Chevrolet and Ford Coupes.  Those who needed welfare got help from their family, neighbors and the local church groups.  Trips to the grocery store were usually on Saturday.  Maybe every other Saturday.  It was at least 10 miles away.  People walked to visit neighbors.  Some neighbors were 2 or 3 miles away.  Gas was $0.32 cents a gallon and a tank full was easily half of a country boy's weekly paycheck so driving was only done as an absolute necessity.  Parents would never drive their kids up the 100 yard driveway to the school bus stop, even in the wettest or coldest of weather and those that lived within 1 mile of school weren't allowed to ride the bus.  Unmarried women who became pregnant went away to live with an Aunt.  That was few because most men would do the honorable thing and ask the lady to marry them and have a 'premature' baby.  When people met on a narrow roadway and had to pull over to let the oncoming vehicle pass, it wasn't just 1 finger they waved out the window, it was all 5.  We've made a lot of progress, haven't we? 
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2017, 07:27:46 pm »
I don't remember gas at $.32/gallon, or the Model A/T's being common.  I lived about 30 miles from town.  We carried our fresh well water in a pail, and it was the best water I've ever had.  Our town eventually got a blinking yellow traffic light, and moved the stop sign.  We raised our own food.  Parking was never a problem, because there was space, and you parked wherever you wanted to.  There wasn't really much reason to go to town.  We did buy dog food, and food for some of the livestock, plus spices, condiments, flour, oatmeal, and sugar.  We often went months without going into town.  Usually whenever we needed shoes, we went in.  We had a chapel somewhat closer.

We knew all the store owners by name, and they knew us.  The store owners often personally helped you.

You could show up unannounced at someone's house, and they'd set a place for you at the table.  I was 13 the first time I remember us locking our door.  I remember, because we couldn't find the key.

Charity was different.  Everyone contributed in some way.  Disabled people often watched kids, or told stories.  Sometimes, they cooked.  The people who couldn't do anything usually died.  My great-grandma was bed-ridden for the last 40 years (died at 102).  She knitted and crocheted and sold her things for an annual salary that exceeded that of most able-bodied young men.  Another grandma sold her cooking in her later years, and made more than secretaries at that time.  After 80, my great grandpa retired.  He had lots of ailments, so he set up a wood-working shop, and doubled his previous salary, working only part time as he was able.  I had a great-great grandma that had 11 children that lived.  There is some disagreement about her age, but she was injured somehow, such that she couldn't walk, so she became a sort of mother goose.  She wrote and sold many books.  There weren't drawn-out illnesses.  People may not have lived as long, but they lived.  When they couldn't do, they died, because there was no point.  Most of my family has lived past 80, and several past 100.  Doctors came to our house when needed.

My mother made fresh bread 5 days a week, and we ate it fresh.  Nothing like the smell of fresh bread coming out if the oven.  Hot biscuits or pancakes for breakfast, and hot bread for supper.

Yes, we didn't worry so much about clothes and shoes getting dirty or being fashionable.  We took baths once a week on Saturday nights.  Yep, we stunk.  We washed clothes and dishes by hand.  There were no disposable dishes.  We had colored metal drinking cups that were formerly ice cream containers.  Most of our table dishes were glass, silver, or corningware.

Christmas presents were hand-made, from the heart.

Clothes were made in the US and lasted for years.  Or, we made our own clothes.

We butchered our own animals.  Hunting was a-purpose.  We canned and froze our own fruits and vegetables.  We had freezers and a whole cooler for meat.  I could cut off a chunk from the quarters hanging from racks in hooks.  We made our own jam, jelly, cottage cheese, butter, buttermilk, etc.  We had fresh milk and eggs every meal.

We had to start our tractor with a crank.  Later, it got a battery and a starter.  Some of the equipment was powered by a wheel on the side of the tractor.

If rabid animals, coyotes, or other wildlife problems arose, we handled them.  Fire, too.

If there was a drouth or other disaster that wiped out our crops, it was on us.  No government to bail us out.

We delivered pigs and cows ourselves, and gave the livestock medicine as needed.

We didn't have electronic gadgets to play with.  Heck, some neighbors didn't have electricity.  We had rotary phones, and party lines.  Film was developed by mailing it in and waiting a few weeks.

Dogs and cats were farm animals.  They weren't decorative or useless.  They were as valuable as anyone on the farm--particularly the dogs.  A dog in the brush was worth 2 or 3 men.  Herding, too.  The dogs were like family, but no spas or any of that ridiculousness.  My dogs won all the competition awards.

All food was organic.  We rotated fields, and the chickens were open range.  We branded cows and pigs.

Eggs were packaged in cardboard, rather than styrofoam that they use now--oh, wait, they brought back the cardboard.

We built our own houses and performed our own repairs.  Houses were our homes, built to last and be proud of.  The average person could and did work on their own vehicles.  We took pride in our work.

We had to fell trees (about 8 cord per year), cut them up, split and stack them.  We had to bring in wood from the cold, and get up early in the cold to start the fire, then go out in the cold to care for the livestock.  We had to cut holes in the ice on the ponds.  We worked from 5am until 9pm in the winter, but until sometimes 2am in the summer and fall.

We respected each other.  Children behaved.  There was no TV or video games.  We played cards and board games.

Healthcare?  Whatever you paid for.  It usually didn't cost much, but it was effective.  There were no pharmaceuticals to cause health problems.  No clunky equipment.  No outrageous bills or health expenses.  The doctors made a living--not a killing.  The doctors took the hypocratic oath seriously.  Yes, there were unwed mothers.  Parents took it in stride.  If the fathers got upset, they had squirrel rifles.

We had his/hers outhouses.  The honey wagon would come by to drain the septic tank.

Shaking hands and a person's word meant something.

People spoke of property in quarter-sections, or in 1,000-acre lots.  A "block" was a piece of wood.

Almost everything was closed on Sundays.  Everyone went to church.  The athiest sat in the front row.  He and the preacher at that church were best friends.  After the service, they two would argue every point, and listeners would learn more about faith and religion than they would ever learn in church from the service.  Coffee in town never resulted in arguments about faith or religion, because people weren't pushing an agenda.  We had more religions than churches, but it was never a problem.  Baptist, Menonite, Lutheran, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian  Amish, etc, we were just people doing our best.  Children sat still and quiet in church and school.  Meals were active, happy events.  Well, lunch was often a question, but supper and breakfast were a big deal.

Kids were safe.

Everyone had a gun within reach.  Shootings and other violence were rare.  Police didn't abuse their authority.

We didn't worry about healthy foods, obesity, skin complexion, manicures, etc.

Walking?  I would never walk to a neighbor's house.  I did ride the tractor there, once.  About an hour into the trip, the sheriff pulled up behind me.  He followed me the rest of the way.  When I got there, he advised me I'd be stopping by his place with the tractor to handle some chores on my way home.  It took me a week to finish.  No more rides to the neighbor's on the tractor.  I took the pony a few times, bareback, but that was through the back way. Usually, trips to the neighbor's were for a reason.  We didn't grow our own hay, so we bought it from the neighbor across the street.  It was just a few miles, but starting when I could both reach the pedals and see over the steering wheel at the same time, I'd drive over and help with the baling between chores during the summer.  I'd make about $4 grand over a summer, and could take the hay I needed.  Once the hay cured, I'd haul 6 truckloads and stack them in our barn.

Apparently, we smelled better, despite our questionable hygiene.  People now wear lots of bought odors, apparently to cover up their BO.  I guess the women looked better for longer, too.  Now, they paint their faces, which usually covers up creases, lines, skin sag, etc, but looks like clay plastered on their faces.  Lots of makeup jobs look like the wearers have lost a boxing match.

Clothes cost more, but consist of less, often coming worn out already, so that the wearer doesn't actually have to do the work their clothes imply.  Fashions make a mockery of the function of previous attire.

People now deride the work and professions of the very people who provide for their existence by growing food.

Yeah, I remember a bit.  Except in the corral, I rarely stepped in poop.

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Re: Small car drivers...not Fieros
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2017, 07:43:39 pm »
I'm guessing you're able to post now.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2017, 07:49:29 pm »
I can post from my laptop, yes.  I'm not sure why I can't post from my tablet that I had been using, or from my phone that I tried.  At first, my tablet wouldn't let me post, either.  That post was from the other day, when the problem came up.  I just backed up and saved the text.

When I try to post from the tablet, my phone, or my desktop (which I haven't used for this site previously), I get an error No data received "ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE" after several minutes.  I've restarted, tried different browsers, cleared my cache, etc.  No change.

Oh, and the server says "Unable to load the webpage because the server sent no data."

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 08:42:12 pm »
Tshark, I was out of high school by the time you were born, but you and I grew up very similarly.  Family was share farmers until I started school.  Dad and Mom got regular jobs, we moved to a 172 acre farm that my dad later bought.  60 +/- head of cattle, at least an acre garden, cutting and baling hay, planting and harvesting corn, tending and mending fences, skinny dipping in one of the creeks or lakes in March, parents never worried about where I or the tenant's kids were because we knew not to leave the farm.  Plowed a 2 mule team for a neighbor about a mile away and picked cantaloupe and watermelon for another farmer and peas and corn for a family member.  $0.10 an hour was the going rate for a 13 year old in the mid 50's.   Collected soda bottles from roadside trash dumps and ditches and redeemed them for 3 cents each to buy a couple of nickle candy bars and a stick of Bazooka, Fleer or Double Bubble Gum.   

Drove our tractor and a truck on the farm and was driving on the dirt roads alone when I was 9.  Our daily fresh baked bread was cornbread.  Sometimes that and a glass of buttermilk was the only thing we had for supper.  Store bought loaf bread was for Dad and Mom's lunches.  Winter baths in a long tub, outside outhouse with a stack of newspapers or an old Sears Roebuck catalog.  It never got cleaned underneath.  Nature took care of whatever went through the hole.

Life was often hard, but more enjoyable and it had more meaning. 
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2.    The few who learn by observation.
3.    The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.    Will Rogers

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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 09:18:29 pm »
We rarely had candy (probably a good thing).  I suppose it was hard, and I'm sure I complained plenty, but I did have a lot of fun.  Most of that fun is probably illegal, now.  Like driving a car at 8 or 9, or riding in the back of a pickup, or playing shoot-the-bottle in the bar, using the bridges without rails to get a better launch into the river, having tractor wheelie competitions, removing stumps with dynamite, or using explosives to launch ourselves.  The only time I ever got into trouble was when a few of us were in town, sitting on the concrete at the edge of the USPS parking lot.  Some old lady next door called the police and described us with some choice words.  Apparently, someone (not me, but possibly some of the guys with me) had been knocking on her wooden fence and running.  As I recall, we were just eating ice cream.  Not knowing anything was wrong, we walked back to the machine shop, where we were working on a screw machine.  Our dads were doing a Tim Taylor job on a log splitter, and the police took our info.  My dad threatened to have my picture put on the front page (didn't happen, though).  I wasn't allowed to hang out with those kids anymore, which was probably for the best.

One day, (probably a federal offense), but the mail carrier got drunk, we delivered the rest of the mail.  He was still wandering around when we got back (the route was just one highway), but we went for a joy ride in the mail truck.  We rounded up a stray goat, and sent the poor mail carrier on his way.  About a week later, my dad came back from a trip to town, dropped the goat off at a neighbor's, and I got my hide tanned.  My mother didn't understand why.  I heard my dad trying not to laugh when he told her, but the guy spent a day cleaning up all the goat pellets.  My dad said that the USPS put out a notice that there was no drinking allowed while they were doing their route.

There was a guy down the road that thought it was a good idea to see which manufacturer had the toughest cars.  To accomplish this feat, he would drive down the road at 55MPH, then slam the tranny into reverse.  Whichever brand lasted the longest, he decided was the toughest.  He yard rapidly accrued non-running vehicles.  He did this for years.  Well, we were over there doing I don't know what, and we found a really old sedan that had been wrecked on one side.  We worked on it enough to get it running, cannibalizing parts off the other cars, and drove it all over.

Someone had a bright idea to tie a rope from the hook outside the window in the hay loft to the attic on the house.  The idea was to slide down the rope to the house, and crawl through the vent in the attic.  The distance was maybe 100-150 feet, but down a hill.  We got the rope plenty tight with the hoist.  We learned 2 things: hitting the house wall at 40MPH or so is not fun, and the time saved with the quick trip to the house was more than lost while fixing the attic wall where we attached the rope.  I got to paint the entire exterior of the house, along with minimal help from my cohorts.

Have you seen one of those tractors where the axle isn't in the center of the wheel?  A neighbor rode one over.  I didn't see him ride it there, because it was parked while he looked at my dad's one-piece truck body (bed and cab had no separation between).  I was thinking the back would go up and down when the wheels turned, but I guess there's a gear in there somewhere.

Oh, no skinny-dipping for me.  I can't swim.  I've been in plenty of water.  I just don't know how to swim.  I didn't used to even float.

Did you have a cookie craft raft race?

There was no real motivation to leave the farm.  There's just another farm, and another, and another...I've seen a farm.  Of course, even with a car, you couldn't just go through a field.  Fields had bulls, and they would challenge anything.  We used to leave great big rocks in the fields (the smaller ones were about 4 feet in diameter) to let the bulls have something to push around.

Funny thing.  I have much more in common with people 20 or so years older than myself, than I do with people my own age.

Different times.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 09:19:14 pm »
"You don't have to be lonely, at Farmers Only dot com..."'
I remember 25 cent gas, but then, I grew up in Texas, where it was made (at least, in those days).
When I was a kid, my dad worked for a company called Pan American Pipeline Company, as a radio tech. In those days, they didn't have satellites for microwave transmission, and used towers out in the country to bounce the signals across the country. My dad had to service equipment at those towers, and sometimes he would take the family along. My mom and sister got to ride in the cab of his pickup, and us boys (3 of us) rode in the truck bed (illegal these days).
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 09:22:33 pm »
There was no internet.

Even in the 1990s, dating on the internet was an iffy thing.

When I went through Texas recently, I didn't see a single oil rig.  I did see them in Oklahoma, though.

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 10:07:15 pm »
I'm thinking our Allis Chalmers had the offset wheels.  I'm pretty sure my uncle's Farmall Cub did because it was so high.  There was a tractor of that era that also had the main chassis offset to one side so that one axle was longer than the other.  I think that was the Farmall or maybe a John Deere model.  Our farm had lots to do as kids.  Even at 7 and 8 years old, my younger sister and I were left alone during the summer while the folks worked.  The neighbor boys and I would fish in the lakes, cut vines to swing across the 2 creeks and poles to vault over creeks and barbed wire fences or gullies.  Played tree tag in the pine thicket, swiped bags of Bugler cigarette from the neighor kid's mother and climbed up in the oak trees around the barnyard to smoke.  As long as we were quiet, they never knew we were up there.  Rounded up calves and sometimes cows into the barnyard holding lot and had our own rodeos.  Battled with homemade bows and arrows with corncobs on the end of the arrow.  Slingshot battles with acorns and an occasional rock slipped in.  All of us had BB guns and no one ever lost an eye.  No telephone until about 1960.  Three party line with only a 4 digit number.  Could only call 2 local towns toll free.  Long distance required dialing the operator.  Never heard of a microwave tower.  Or microwave anything for that matter. 

I can hardly swim, either, but the creeks were never over our heads.  The 4 lakes were another matter, so I never ventured much further than the cattle would wade.  I don't know what a cookie cutter raft is.

We rode in the back of the pickup, standing up looking over the cab, sitting on the side rails or on the lowered tail gate with our feet dangling.  Sit on one end of a tarp and pull the other end over us when it was raining

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 11:34:25 pm »
Never heard of a microwave tower.  Or microwave anything for that matter. 
My dad was involved in electronics in some form or another all his life. In WWII, he was a radar instructor. When I was in about the 5th grade, he lost the job with Pan Am Pipeline for some reason or another, and got a job with a Motorola dealer in Abilene, TX. In those days, Motorola  made cop car radios and other such communication equipment. The Air Force put in Atlas missile silos around Abilene, and my dad got to install radios in them. We (his kids) got a tour of a missile silo. Interesting stuff.
We all knew electronics and built all kinds of neat stuff, like Tesla coils and Van de Graff generators. Sparks would fly!
Edit: BTW, when I was in the Navy, I was a radar tech. I maintained and repaired air search radar on an aircraft carrier. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 12:56:04 pm »
I wish I could say I followed in my dad's footsteps, but my dad was good with just about everything.

Woo-hoo!  I can post from my tablet again.  My phone worked this morning, but not my laptop or tablet.  I think that some cache somewhere expired.  I'd deleted the cache on my end, and that didn;t chamge anything.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2017, 01:56:20 pm »

I can hardly swim, either, but the creeks were never over our heads.  The 4 lakes were another matter, so I never ventured much further than the cattle would wade.  I don't know what a cookie cutter raft is.


The Cookie Craft Raft race was just about anything.  Someone entered a styrofoam whale, and floated down the river on it.  Someone else had a VW bug, and paddled out the windows.  Some people actually had rafts.  One raft had women dressed as mermaids lounging on the raft.  We had two sealed brown 55-gallon drums in a wooden frame, with a wooden horse head on the front and a rope tail on the back.  It was supposed to be a Missouri mule.  Everyone lined up in the order they showed up, and then paraded through town.  When they got to the river, they put in.  When the first ”raft” entered the river, the race started.  Some of the ”rafts” (including us) were more than a mile away when the first ”raft” put in.  We got the prize of ”most likely to sink”.  The mermaid raft was buisily waving to spectators and crashed, whereupon their raft fell apart, and the mermaids were unable to swim.  The whale floated upside down.  The bug actually spent most of their trip bailing water; they didn't know that there were inherent leaks.  About half of the ”rafts” had to be rescued.  Still, there were several hundred entries that finished.

That was the only year we participated in that event, because someone who was swimming in the river was run over by the prop on someone's motor boat.  What a mess!