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I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« on: January 30, 2009, 07:11:08 pm »
So I see some people are putting stories on here about their fieros, i couldnt really find any other user friendly sites with forums around illinois as good as this one, so here is my story.  My father bought me this car in 85 when I was born.  He had put 22,500 miles on it, its a 4cyl 4sp basically in perfect condition just a lot of dust from sitting in the garage.  He found it broken into after he got off of work one day which they broke the window and slashed the steering wheel, and the inside car door for some apparent reason, probably because he used to work security and im sure he pissed someone off.  He started it on and off, but then it was just forgotten and it kinda just sat in the garage for a very long time.  And im thinking the last time it was started had to be around the early to mid 90's.  So now I want to get it running my dad lives in arizona now, and I live in Illinois and he told me to do what I wanted with it.  Any advice on what would possibly need to be done to it, and how much, to get it back to a daily driver?  I wanted to get started on it around spring time.  Thanks!

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Re: I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 07:49:20 pm »
The first thing you need to do is make sure the engine isn't frozen up from sitting. Put a battery on it and try to start it. If it doesn't turn over you'll have to pull the plugs and put some transmission fluid in the cylinders and let it set for a week. Then put the transmission in 4th gear and rock the car back and forth to free the engine up. When it starts to turn the engine, remove the coil wire and fuel pump fuse and with the plugs out crank it over and watch your oil pressure gauge. You might have to crank it awhile to get the oil pressure up on the gauge. Once you have oil pressure then you need to drop the fuel tank and replace the fuel pump and empty the tank and put fresh gas in the tank. Then you can install the fuel pump fuse and the coil wire and crank it up. You might want to change the oil and filter and antifreeze after running it for about 5 minutes.

Then you'll probably have to replace the clutch master and slave cylinders, the brake calipers, pads, brake hoses, and wiper blades.
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Re: I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 08:23:38 pm »
There is a club in your area.  It's known as NIFE.  Northern Illinois Fiero Enthusiasts.  Try this link  http://www.fierofocus.com/    There is also another Fiero Forum known as Pennocks Fiero Forum.  The url is http://www.fiero.nl    When you get to the home page, on the left side is a heading for Pennocks Discussion Forums.  Click on that and you will go into sections similar to what we have here.  I'm not trying to direct you away from us, but giving you some alternate information sources.  I saw you when you registered earlier and was waiting for your post.  Welcome to our forum.

For a car that's been sitting that long, among the things that would likely need to be tended to would be the brakes.  Generally the calipers sieze due to moisture and corrosion in the piston bore.  The gas usually turns to varnish, so the tank would likely need to be removed and cleaned out, as well as the fuel filter being replaced.  You say the car is a 4-cylinder 4-speed.  That would be an 84, not an 85.  The 85 and later 4-cylinders manual equipped cars had 5-speeds.  The fluid in the clutch system would likely need to be bled out, and there's a possibility that you will eventually have to replace the master and/or slave cylinder, for the same reasons as the brakes.  Moisture and corrosion.  

Before trying to start it, it would be best that the spark plugs be removed and a light oil be put into each cylinder.  Maybe a couple of ounces in each cylinder.  Marvel Mystery Oil or something similar.  Don't put ATF into it because if there is any silicone in the ATF, it can foul the o2 sensor and the catalytic converter.  Let the car sit for a day or so with the oil in the cylinders.  Then with the car on a level surface, put it into 1st or 2nd gear.  Get someone to help you give the car a little push to cause the engine to rotate just a little.  This will help in case the rings or anything is stuck due to the long down time.  

While the car is sitting, with the oil in the cylinders, you also want to go through the car and make sure that no little critters have built nests anywhere that could cause a fire.  Get a small hand mirror, something like a lady's makeup compact, and do a very detailed inspection of the exhaust manifold area to be sure there are no nests or stray materials on them before you install the plugs and try to start it.  Check inside the air filter canister and the intake tube and the breather on top of the throttle body.  There is also a blower fan inside the passenger side of the trunk, at the top, behind the carpeting.  It's located inside the right rear fender.  Just pull the carpeting aside.  Check to be sure there are no nests in there.  The heater blower motor is another place they sometimes hide.  

I'm assuming that it still has antifreeze in it, so don't mess with that at the moment.  Getting the air out of a Fiero cooling system requires following certain steps.  We can help you with that when the time comes.  Drain and replace the oil, and change the filter.  10w30 should be good.  

While I've been writing, I see Robbie has posted some suggestions, with a few variations to what I've said, but they're both good suggestions.  Robbie's the mechanic.  I tend to be quite cautious, so some of my suggestions may be a little overkill.  However, I do disagree with Robbie about the ATF in the cylinders.

Hope these suggestions will get you started.  
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Re: I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 09:23:42 pm »
hey i really appreciate it guys, for all the advice.   I was planning on buyin a new car soon but I figured with a little bit of money I could have pretty much a brand new car, considering the interior still smells like new :).  It's crazy cuz i just looked in the car n on the middle console where the shifter is it had the R, then 1-2-3-4, so i dont know if its rare to have a 4sp but I could take a picture if you wanted.  how fast are these things, I've never driven in one other than this and I was so little I dont remember.  I know their no corvette or anything but just wondering the stats.  Thanks again guys!

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Re: I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 10:00:19 pm »
Take a picture of the transmission where the shifter cables attach.  I can tell you what it is from that.  Email it to me at cmmsewell at gmail dot com.  I'm here until 11pm or later.

The 4-cylinder 4-speed wasn't very fast.  60-65 mph was a strain on the engine.  Most 84's came with a 4:10 transmission and that put a lot of revs on the engine, but very little speed on the wheels.  You can improve it a little by going with larger aftermarket wheels and tires.  A few of the 84's came with a 3:32 final gearing, which was much better for highway driving.  That's why the 85 and later 4-cylinders had the 5-speed manuals.

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Re: I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 10:10:21 am »
The easiest way to tell whether you car is an 84 or 85 model is to look at the back deck. If there is a single air grill in the middle behind the back window, it's an 84. If there are two air grills on the sides of the deck behind the back window, it's an 85.
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Re: I wanna get this 85 fiero running again!
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 08:31:45 pm »
So, its been a whole year since my first post and my fiero got put in the shop in the first week of january '10.  Sorry about the confusion before about if its a 4cyl or 6cyl, from what my dad told me I thought he said it was a 4 but its a 6cyl 4 speed.  So far my buddy installed a new fuel pump and filter, cleaned out the tank, checked all the fluids, and changed the rear rotors and pads (the fronts were still good).  It started right up but then it died about 5 seconds later, so he knew a guy that is into fieros and hes also a mechanic come check out the problem.  Diagnosed it and had the computer pulled out in 30 minutes, I guess the computer was fried, which he said could of been caused by a battery charger.  So now I'm just waiting on a new computer and pricing tires around the area and I should be good to go.  When it's done and I get the outside detailed ill get some pics on here right away.  Can't wait to get this out on the road, well after the winter of course. 

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 08:40:50 pm »
also could someone point me in the right direction for the correct size of tires?  I can't really get ahold of my friend too often to ask him little questions like this because he is always busy on other projects while my car is there.  But I've been told 2-3 different sizes with the several places I've called.  I have these wheels obviously the ones on top and its not a gt its an se i think if that matters, thanks in advance and sorry for the dumb questions! 

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 09:17:59 pm »
For correct tire size...check inside the drivers door. See if you can still read the sticker. It will have the car vin # on on sticker...and Tire sizes and pressure for front/rear/spare.

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 12:05:58 am »
If you have an SE V6 and it doesn't have a dark gray band around the bottom, then it's an 85SE.  The 85 SE came with 195/70R 14 tires mounted on the aluminum wheels with PONTIAC on one of the wide spokes.  The 85GT had the same aluminum wheels, but came equipped with 215/60R 14 tires.  If you wanted, you could even go on up to 225/60R 14 tires without any problem. 

If you cannot find a computer, I have one for an 85GT/SE with 4 speed manual transmission, cruise and air.  I'll sell it for $50 shipped. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 06:37:11 pm »
thanks, I went by the shop today and it said 215/60 and no wheel size.  but i am assuming their 14, looked for tires today and that size is a rare one.  Lots of ^%!)ty brands out there that make this tire size, i've decided to either go with the bfgoodrich radial ta's or the cooper cobra gt's, any suggestions?  and i'll let you know about the computer my buddies friend has one on order it should b here by tomorrow. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 09:44:12 pm »
I use Yokahama Avid for performance driving.  They're directional tires.  I'm also having good results with Dunlop GT Qualifier tires also.  They're regular radials, but I also use them for performance driving on one of my cars.  Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 series tires are also pretty good, but they tend to lose their rain traction after they get worn down about half way.  Same with the Goodyear GT series.  The Yokohamas are great in the rain due to being directional.  None of them are really suitable for snow.  The 215 60 is a common size and standard on the Fiero and shouldn't be hard to find.  Check out www.tirerack.com and shop by brand or size.  And you are correct that you have 14 inch wheels, if they are the shiny aluminum with PONTIAC on one of the spokes.

If you do go with the replacement computer, be sure it is programmed for the things you have on your car, like AC and 4-speed and V6.  Cruise and other options don't run through the computer. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 10:52:53 pm »
I have Cooper Cobra's on my 86 SE, and they've been pretty good. But if you go to buy some, check the date. I've heard that Cooper quit making that size, so the "new" tires in the shop may be old stock.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 04:38:19 am »
I use the BFGOODRICH Radial TA's.. Got over 60,000 miles on first set, The second set has only about 22,000 on them and look brand new..

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 08:14:38 am »
isn't the TA's (white letters) discontinued?  i had to hunt for 2 for my car last year.
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