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Author Topic: A New Formula In Our Stall  (Read 61600 times)

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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #180 on: June 16, 2019, 10:09:55 pm »
No power -- like it's in "limp mode".
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #181 on: June 16, 2019, 10:19:43 pm »
Do we know if it ever ran correctly?

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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #182 on: June 16, 2019, 10:48:58 pm »
Yes.  It was Lee's preferred vehicle.  He ran many RFTH's with us.  His girlfriend said that it always had the check engine light on.  I don't know if that was from the inception or just long term. 
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #183 on: June 17, 2019, 07:52:11 pm »
So, the ECU, wiring, sensors, or voltage, or the transmission can all cause limp mode.

Of course, limp mode can cause the transmission to behave oddly.

There is the old disconnect a sensor to see if things change trick.  Likely the MAP sensor or TPS.
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #184 on: July 02, 2019, 05:27:44 pm »
I ordered another ECM from Ebay, from a Buick Park Avenue, with the same number on it as the one in the car. The seller claims it's good. We'll see what happens.
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #185 on: July 02, 2019, 06:21:56 pm »
Is is currently believed that the problem is with the ECU itself, rather than the chip or a sensor input?

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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #186 on: July 02, 2019, 08:32:12 pm »
It's a "Let's see if this helps."
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #187 on: July 02, 2019, 08:35:04 pm »
Did you ever hear back from Ryan?

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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #188 on: July 02, 2019, 08:39:41 pm »
Did you ever hear back from Ryan?
Nope.
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #189 on: July 12, 2019, 04:14:55 pm »
I got the "new" ECM I bought from Ebay. It had no ROM, so I used the one out of the old ECM. The car runs exactly the same.
I found a broken (chewed) wire coming from the firewall connector to the ECM, and soldered it back together. No change in performance, but all the gauges seem to be working now. I honestly can't remember which gauge didn't work before, but they all work now.
You may recall that I had replaced the throttle position sensor, but it still seems like it isn't working. I'm trying to find a diagram of the ECM, so I can check the continuity of the wiring between the TPS and the ECM.
Edit: I found a diagram online. It shows the TPS going to pins F1, E5, and E6 of the ECM. I just have to figure out where those pins are.
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #190 on: July 12, 2019, 06:04:19 pm »
So, the ECU itself isn't the problem.  The programming wouldn't have changed, and used to be OK, so not that.  If the stick itself was bad or not being picked up, it should give an error.

I read somewhere that the ECU will run in limp mode without that module.  If the module was unplugged, would there be a change?

I'm curious how the plugs look.  Do we know that it's running on all cylinders?

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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #191 on: July 12, 2019, 07:37:15 pm »
The plugs and wires are new.
Actually, the ECM/ECU is called the Powertrain Control Module in the diagram I found, so I guess we should call it the PCM. It controls both the engine and the automatic transaxle (which this car has one of). I will attempt to check the continuity of various wires this weekend.
BTW, the diagram I found is for a 94-95 Buick, Oldsmobile, or Pontiac with a L36 engine (3800). Sounds like the correct one to me.
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #192 on: July 12, 2019, 08:04:18 pm »
It is a Park Avenue engine.  I think it's a 94.  There were handwritten notes inserted into the factory shop manual that detailed the engine, along with the VIN number as I recall. 
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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #193 on: July 12, 2019, 08:22:00 pm »
Then there are the injector fuses, the fuel pressure, and the MAP sensor.  Of course, compression.  Still, it'd be interesting to know how the plugs look.

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Re: A New Formula In Our Stall
« Reply #194 on: July 12, 2019, 09:37:56 pm »
Pat installed new wires and plugs early on.  Heidi said the car always had the SES light on, but the car was still Lee's daily driver, preferred over his other two vehicles.  It's my understand that it only got parked due to Lee's declining health. 
There are three kinds of men:

1.    The ones that learn by reading.
2.    The few who learn by observation.
3.    The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.    Will Rogers