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Where is the fuel door release?
« on: June 04, 2018, 09:44:46 pm »
I am driving a rental hyundead sante fe.  First, I tried adjusting the seats, but they wouldn't go any further back.  I think the car is designed for little people.  I tried adjusting the mirrors.  The rearview was no problem, but the side mirrors, not so much.  They wouldn't adjust out.  The passenger side mirror would only adjust up and down, but the driver's side mirror just wouldn't go out any farther.  This left me with a view of the side of the car.  I had to adjust both mirrors by hand.  From OUTSIDE the car, because the driver window only goes down about an inch.  Excellent manufacturing design.

Then the lumbar was gouging my back.  I think the gears are stripped, because I could feel and hear them popping.  Cheap plastic gears?  A little bit of impact, and the lumbar is less obtrusive.

As I'm driving along, there is an alert that the right rear door is open, which causes the car to stop "for safety reasons".  I got out, opened and closed the right rear door.  The car still wouldn't go, because the left rear door is open.  The CAR is the safety issue!  I fiddled with the ajar switches, so this shouldn't happen again.

According to the driver info center, it has gotten a lifetime average MPG of 12.9, over the course of its 16K miles.  Maybe because you have to floor the volume control to get the car moving.  I took it out of eco mode, which put it into sport mode.  I guess that's a placebo.  Anyway, since the tank was low, I went to get fuel.  After checking all the usual places, I checked the manual.  The manual had all sorts of info, like the lane divergence alert, that this vehicle did have.  I think the manual has only the entire inventory of features this particular car did not have.  Blanks is what this vehicle has.

I finally found a reference to the fuel filler door.  It showed how to store the cap while fueling, and said to close the fuel door after fueling.  I appreciate these higherto unknowns, but this is not helpful.

I looked the fuel door release up online, and found it on page 5 of the manual, which was helpfully missing from the abridged manual in the car.  There was a diagram, which showed the button to be below the door handle, precisely where is a blank.  Hopefully, I gave that blank a good workout.  The button popped into the interior of the door.  Nothing for the fuel door in there.

Not to be stymied, I opened the fuel door with my knife.  The fuel cap requires a key.  Unfortunately, not the key that came with the car.  Someone has a sense of humor.  After a few minutes' work, I got the fuel cap off.  The cap rest is one of the most counterintuitive, awkward things I've encountered.

This car has an annoying habit of playing a nerve-wracking tune whenever you get in or out.  I'm not sure what causes this.  When I went to leave, the shift wouldn't go past N to D.  I drove the 1.7 miles home in reverse.  Apparently, there is an electronic nanny that considers this a safety feature.  After a computer reset, the car goes into D again.  I found the fuel door release while cycling through the things in the driver info center, while looking for the trip reset.  For grins, I tried it. "Feature not currently available."  Apparently, the computer figures the tank has enough fuel.  After 5 minutes, I gave up on finding the trip reset in the endless menus.

There is a hill coming up to my house.  This thing barely made it up the hill, but I did discover that the car has incredible torque steer.  One front wheel pulls, then the other, causing the car to pull violently from side to side.  I think the designers should be forced to drive the cars they design.  Only the cars they design.

Now the car won't lock the doors.  No matter.  The company paid $69.40 for everything insurance. Anyone who stole this car would gladly give it back.  The company insists I'll love this car.

I have to drive about 433 miles, tomorrow, in this car.  I'm bringing a 25-pound sledgehammer, some duct tape, a few screw drivers, a crow bar, a pipe wrench, and some pliers.  The first thing that's going to happen is that the driver's seat will go back about 6 inches.  Then all the annoying noises will go.  Then the headrest will be adjusted to an angle that doesn't hurt my neck.  I already removed the panels that get in the way of my knees, and the trim on the door that gouges my leg.  I need to figure out how to remove the lockout that prevents me from getting the transmission into Drive.

I'm fairly sure I'll have to fill up with fuel, tomorrow.  This car reminds me of a nice luxury car that was entered in a demolition derby, years ago.  The driver was a guy in his 60's.  The car had clearly just been prepped.  I complimented him on his car, and he said it was his pride and joy.  I asked him why he was entering it, and he said that his ex got the car in the divorce, and he was to turn it over to her the next day.  Well, this car is not my pride or joy, but if I see a demo derby on the way back...

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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2018, 10:48:04 pm »
My daughter's Santa Fe has a small lever down beside the seat for the fuel door release, albeit a 2004  But so does her 2017 Tucson and her husband's 2018 Sorento. 

The Santa Fe is the 3.5 V6 and has lots of power.  The Tucson is maybe 1 step above the base model and has a little 4-cylinder, but has lots of go.  You just got hold of a lemon. 
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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 12:24:43 am »
It's a rental, so I'm sure it's been abused.  The company is playing equals.  Some years ago, I drove my Fiero, and others brought their fun cars.  The discussion centered more around cars and not-work things than work things.  So, the company now picks cars and you get to drive what they pick.  I can't wait to hear what the others got stuck with.

The controls on the side of the seat are for the lumbar and for the recline.   There are no other controls there.  I looked by the seat tracks.  I checked in all the ash trays and various compartments.

I certainly wouldn't call this plenty of go.  Whenever the AC kicks on, there is a noticeable loss of power.  This car feels and sounds like a 4-banger.  Do you daughter's cars play obnoxious tunes on entrance and egress?  I went to move the car (I wanted to back it up the drive), and it wouldn't go, because the electronic e-brake is on.  I didn't set it, mainly because the button is just a blank.  I found a thing that said the wheels must be level when parked, or it automatically sets the e-brake.  Rrgh!

Earlier today, I was driving an 8-liter 3500.  I had to follow a "pilot vehicle" through the road destruction, while pulling a 33-foot trailer full of stuff.  I think the 3500 had more go than the hyundead, even pulling the trailer.  The driver information center has 2 WHOLE PAGES for fuel mileage, so power was obviously not the designers' focus.  You can see everything you never wanted to know about the car's MPG, complete with annoying tunes.  It took me a while to page through to something that showed me how much fuel there was.  The "instrument cluster" has a small speedometer that is angled very low (I can see the needle when it's below 20MPH), a large tachometer that is also angled low (I can see the needle when it's below 1500 RPM), and the driver information center.  Mostly, the driver information center and the radio have animated lines moving all over.  It seems that they sortof hum to themselves.  Think those tunes in the beginning of Short Circuit.  The animations are VERY BRIGHT, but the other things they show are dim.  I finally got the time to display on the radio.  The brightness of the displays is completely controlled by the ambient light sensor.  There is an option in the information center to control the dimmer, but the option is greyed out.

This hyundead must be the bottom of the line.  No power seat on either side.  No turn indicators in the side mirrors.  No auto-dim mirror.  Most of the options are blanked out.  It does have 7 USB ports, and an 1/8" mini aux jack.  They are inconveniently placed too far away to reach while driving.  None of the USB ports will charge my phone, but they do emit an incongruous purple light.  The car also has a power inverter.  I plugged in the power for my laptop, but that's too much for the inverter, which had to have the reset button pushed to get the car to stop telling me that the inverter was over voltage.  The GPS is voice controlled only; if you touch the screen while the GPS is on, it asks if you would like to call the police.  The voice misrecognition is laughable.  It does recognize that something was said.  There is no driver/passenger AC, and the controls are placed such that they're hard to reach, even if you can figure out what they are.  Some of the controls are literally just blank buttons, but they do things.  Whenever I back up, the backup camera turns on; when I pull forward, the camera turns off, but the radio turns on.  At random intervals, the car will loudly announce that wifi is available, or that it cannot pair with my bluetooth device.

On the key fob, there are buttons for lock, unlock, then an image for the hatch, with the word "HOLD", and an image of a red horn, with the word "HOLD".  I was trying to get the hatch open to load some things.  Nothing on the remote would release the hatch.  There is a rubbery thing under the emblem on the hatch, but it doesn't appear to do anything.  I looked through the manual, which helpfully says to press the release button to open the hatch.  Words cannot express my appreciation for the helpful details in this manual.

I think the seat is designed so that your butt will be wedged into the hole between the seat and the back.  I'm going to stuff a towel there to make the seat less uncomfortable.  I haven't figured out how to get the shoulder belt to go over my shoulder, rather than across my arm.  You'd figure that the belt would be mounted higher.  The seat itself is cloth, which is fine, but it has these narrow plastic strips that get very hot.  I thought that was something that vanished with the '70's.

There are 9 buttons on the left side of the steering wheel.  Most of them are blanks, but there is one for drive mode, and another for traction control.  No idea where the headlight control is.  There is a lever on the left for cruise control, and another lever on the left for high-beam and blinkers, and another lever on the left for locking the steering wheel in place, but you have to use electronic buttons to raise or lower the steering wheel.  There is a lever on the right of the wheel for the wipers.  The steering wheel has the cruise, the radio, and the controls for the driver information center.  Sometimes, when you select things on the driver information center, they go to the radio screen, but the radio controls do not control these things.  The fog light button is to the RIGHT of the steering wheel.  It has an icon.  It depresses.  The light comes on.  Only thing is, this vehicle isn't equipped with fog lights.

The ignition is placed such that the driver cannot see it, and the key will be at the wrong angle.  To help you find it, it has a dim blue light.  The light gets bright blue after you successfully start the car.  Yay!  The radio has green lights.  The passenger airbag indicator is yellow (not orange), and is conveniently just below the driver's visor.

The hazard lights button is to the RIGHT of the radio.  My son pressed this button, and a voice said, "You have pressed the emergency flashers button.  Would you like to turn the hazard lights on?"  I was unable to get it to respond to me, so I reset the computer to get it to quit asking.  When I got home and parked, the car turned on the hazard lights.  Now that's what I call telepathic.  It knows what you want, and does the exact opposite.

The driver's side footwell is clearly for people with tiny feet.  The stuff under the dash is WAY too low, and my toes get caught in there.  There is no space to the left of the brake pedal.  There is an obstacle directly above the gas pedal, making it very uncomfortable to press the gas pedal, however you manage.  The passenger footwell, however, is comparatively roomy.

I will give the car this: it has EXCELLENT brakes.  They work just like a light switch.

Meanwhile, my comfortable truck is parked over in the rental lot.  Maybe I could get them to rent it to me.  I haven't had much seat time in the hyundead, so haven't really had time to observe much about it.

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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 08:26:06 am »
I drove her Tucson for a week and don't remember any tunes being played, other than from the radio.  The thing that annoyed me the most was that none of the power outlets had continuous power.  My GPS would automatically come on when the car was restarted due to power interruption.  My phone wouldn't charge when left in the vehicle because the power outlets lost power. 

Before she bought the Tucson and before she married, she went on vacation to Vegas for 2 weeks.  I drove the Santa Fe all that time and was really surprised at how easily it would spin the front tires from a start.  The drive by wire throttle requires some learning, otherwise it's like a drag race start each time.  The only problem she has ever had with it is that the Check Engine light was constantly setting.  After months of taking it back to the dealer, they finally discovered that it was a defective fuel filler cap.  For some reason, the computer didn't or couldn't tell them that.  I think she found out about it online and told the dealer.  I didn't like the seats.  They were just uncomfortable to me. 

Sarge's son has the same year and engine Santa Fe as Melissa's and in a conversation once, I believe Sarge said they were fairly pleased with the automobile. 
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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 11:46:35 am »
Where does your company rent cars from Rent-a-Wreck.  When I went on the road I would get to go with one of the major rentals.  Never had a problem with how clean or what condition they were in.  The company you work for should have more respect for the safety of the people that work for them

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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 01:01:28 pm »
Same with Melanie.  When I went on the road with her, they provided an upgraded car from Enterprise Rental.  For a dollar or two more per day, we could have upgraded even further, at our expense, but she was comfortable driving the vehicle provided. 

She had a trip to Kenosha, Wi. and then to some of the company distribution centers and she went along with her immediate supervisor.  The supervisor had a company credit card and she upgraded to a luxury convertible at company expense.  Melanie said they had to fix their hair each time before they entered the distribution center offices. 
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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 10:12:33 pm »
This was from Enterprise-rent-a-wreck.  This isn't my employer.  At least, not my regular employer.  Every year, a select group is invited to this.  Usually about 200 people.  Think of it like a scholarship.  We compete against others in our field, and the top 200 applicants are chosen.  I didn't apply, last year, because I was asked to be a presenter.  Presenting was fun, but it was a lot of work.

This company has flown me by private jet, sent a car to get me, used Hertz, and used some other rental company.  When we went to Russia, they paid for a driver, but 3 of us had to share.

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Re: Where is the fuel door release?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 08:00:26 pm »
The drive by wire is just a waiting experience.  There is a delay while it considers your request.  This is a 4-cylinder.  It sounded like a 4-cylinder, but I visually verified.  Half of the space under the hood is empty space.  That was a surprise.  A person could fit between the engine and the firewall.

Apparently, if you leave something in the back seats, you cannot lock the doors.

I can report that the seats are very uncomfortable.  I think they were designed for a person with a width of 14 inches.  There is a seam that painfully runs down the underside middle of each leg.  The bolsters are very high, causing severe discomfort for my hips.  When you get into the seat, apparently it has no intent of letting you go.  Getting in and out is unpleasant, because you must climb out of the seat.  There is a metal bracket above the lumbar,.  That metal bracket set out to make a lasting impression on my back.  The headrest may work if the seat back is in the recline position, so I used the crow bar to straighten the headrest (which inexplicably has no forward/rear adjustment).  The front of my left shoulder has a mark from the B-pillar, but at least the seat belt didn't rub my arm raw.  There is a decorative little thing between the front seats that gouges my my hip.  The gouger is too low and small for an arm rest, nor is it in any way padded.  On egress, the front of this thing has a cruelly curved edge that digs painfully into my hip.  The steering wheel is rough on the hands, and the wheel jerks with every small thing in the road.  There is no good place to place your hands on the wheel.  I'm not sure if this is by design or out of ignorance.  The ONLY way to rest your legs is by twisting your left foot and placing it under the brake pedal, which is not safe, then to twist your right leg and place the right foot under your left leg.  The drive wore me out.  My butt, hands, arms, back, legs, and neck are sore.

I think my Fiero would outrun this thing.  In sport mode, the hyundead can peel out on start, but the car just doesn't move.  It's a 6-speed auto, and always in the wrong gear.  It wants to start in second.  The speed limit for the drive was 75MPH.  I always thought of the prairie as being mostly flat, but this thing makes a rise seem like a mountain.  It would downshift to fourth, and still couldn't hold the speed limit. When it downshifted, the RPMs would shoot to 6,000, which seems to be as high as they can go in fourth, although the redline is 8,000.  Every time it downshifted, the car would say something like, "What did you say?  I didn't understand.  Please speak clearly."  When rolling downhill, the car doesn't come out of gear, so it hangs, forcing me to manually shift to neutral.  Even in neutral, this car has what seems to be rolling resistance.  I eventually just manually shifted for everything.  Most of the drive, I left it in fourth, which is very noisy, with a sound like those motors in the old cassette players on rewind.  Periodically, the car would prompt me that I could get better fuel mileage in a higher gear.

The brakes are a safety issue.  If you get in a hard stop situation, the car brakes erratically.  Actually, it behaves as if there are no rear brakes.  During hard stops, you must fight the wheel.

The air bag light came on, early in the drive out.  As a safety feature, this disengages the cruise control.  I called service, and they said that the sensor probably got wet.  Interesting, as I've seen nothing wet.  Also, the car will audibly let you know when you are within 300 miles of a service facility.  ANY service facility.  The dang thing wouldn't shut up.  After about 80 miles, the car advised me audibly that I had less than half a tank remaining.

Several times, I heard the alert, "HUD activated."  This car has no HUD.  Sometimes, it would say, "Command not recognized" or "Feature not available".  It kept prompting me, "would you like to hear a musical selection?"  Every now and again, the car would decide to tell me that "the air pressure in the tires is inequal".  When it gets this wild hair, the information center changes to show tire pressure info, but the actual numeric values are in probably 8-points.  It would do this for about 5 minutes.  Unless it's an emergency, it should leave me alone.  I really don't appreciate having my gauges hijacked.

The GPS regularly prompts with advertisements for places as you pass, but the worst thing was that it started asking my destination, so that it could make my trip "more enjoyable".

I had the windows open a bit to keep the car cool, but it rolls the windows up when you get above 60MPH.  There was a voice message for this, but I was furious.  It is not possible to unlock/open the driver's door while moving.  At one point, I tried to adjust my butt on the seat, but couldn't, because the belt was too tight, so I tried to release the belt.  Nothing doing.  There was an audible buzzer.  I had to bring the car to a complete stop, just to adjust my butt on the seat.

If you don't keep both hands on the wheel, after a few minutes, the car sabotages your velocity, turns the cruise off, and loudly demands, "Hello?  Are you there?".  It then advises you to place both hands on the wheel.

The latch on the rear seats wouldn't lock in place, so the seats rattled and clacked, the whole way out.

I did get the doors locked, and set the alarm.  It makes a pipsqueak, girlish sound.  Very embarrasing.  When I left the event, the car wouldn't unlock.  I had to call to have it remotely unlocked.  The problem was that the battery was dead.  It is very difficult to get into the car, when the battery is dead, because there is no slot for the key.  I got into the engine compartment, and put a jumper on the battery.  The car still had to be unlocked remotely.  Now, the keyless remotes don't work.  The battery was dead, because the car had some alert or other going.  That was all they could tell me.  Well, the alert was obviously ineffective, or it was lost in the profusion of other alerts.  When I tried to start the car, I had to wait 30 minutes for a "system check".  Yeah.  The remote control reset the mirrors, necessitating that I waste more time manually adjusting the mirrors.

I guess this delay was fortuitous.  While I was waiting, I removed the door panels and unplugged the speakers.  I got the dash apart far enough to unplug the carputer, but later discovered that the car won't start without this device.  I found more speakers in the dash, and unplugged them.  I couldn't find the buzzer.  The car also won't start if you unplug the information center.  I left the dash apart, in case there were further distrubances.  I removed the torture device between the front seats, and replaced the device with a box of tissues, which was a pressed fit.  I unplugged the power mirrors.  Since the keyless entry no longer worked, I unplugged the lock actuators and removed the rod for the locking mechanism.

The interior sets a new low for cheap.  The materials seem to be the cheapest available.  The textures and colors on the various interior pieces do not match.  At every bump, the visors would plop down.  I eventually removed them.  On one bump, the sunglasses compartment on the ceiling fell to the floor.  There is a black plastic piece that fits on the shift lever.  That came off.  While I had the door panels off, I was rather alarmed about how flimsy everything is.  There were no sound deadening materials in the door, and no jute to keep the elements out.  No wonder everything is so loud in the cabin!  I should've filled the doors with Great Stuff.  I used some pieces of foam tape around the rear seat mounts to quiet the rattling.  I also put some foam tape on the doors to cut down on air leakage.  I ran duct tape over the gaps on the hood to reduce wind noise.  I looked for a way to choose the info displayed by the information center, but couldn't find any way to do this.  There is a user section, but it's for presets, and most of them were greyed out.  There are no cup holders, nor does the design of the interior allow for even placing a cup somewhere other than the floor.  There are no suitable flat surfaces; rather, there are useless "things" that look like they were borrowed from a baby mobile, and mostly just clutter the interior.  The large dash is suitable for...collecting dust.

Whether inside or outside, the panels are just there.  The dash and door panels, for example, do not really meet up.  The exterior door panels do not line up.  The fuel door doesn't have an even gap all the way around.  The gap for the hood isn't even from grille to windshield, nor is it the same on both sides.  Even the end on the turn signal stalk looks like it came from a larger turn signal stalk.   The interior gaps between the trim and the windshield are inconsistent.  I thought these traits were endemic to the 1980's cars.

On the positive side, the suspension is tight, although the ride is somewhat more jarring than the Fiero's ride.  Forward visibility is fine, but side visibility is abysmal.  The steering wheel is centered on the driver's seat.  It is also a positive that the driver has total control over the rearview mirror.  This is probably the only item on the entire car about which this can be said.  Even the glove box has an electronic release.

On the way home, the engine changed sounds and quit running rather abruptly.  The information center turned red, and there were still audible alerts from somewhere.  It is so great that, after the engine self-destructs, the car FINALLY tells you that there is a problem.  I got the transmission into neutral as soon as the engine changed sounds, which was probably a good thing.  I had to wait for a ride.  They gave me a Malibu to get home.  Since the rental place was closed, I had the Malibu today.

The hyundead must be the most obnoxious vehicle I've driven recently.  Had it gotten me home, I'd have described it as basic transportation; instead, it failed in its primary purpose.  I want to repeat that.  Transportation is a car's primary purpose.  From my point of view, the car basically holds the occupants hostage, and only operates if the occupants agree to a complete loss of privacy and control, as well as being subjected to what amounts to brain washing.  The constant caucaphony of alerts is very distracting for a driver.  It should only be possible for a single alert to sound at any given time.  This hyundead was a safety risk to all drivers and all occupants.  It was not economically viable, nor was it ecologically viable.  In light of the engine failure, the various gadget failures, the interior falling apart, and the service calls, I'd say it wasn't financially viable.  It's great that the manual is thin, but it contains no useful information.  I was unable to find any redeeming features about this car.

Had I been doing a vehicle test, I'd have given the chassis a B, the fit and finish a C, and everything else an F.