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Author Topic: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm  (Read 33464 times)

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #90 on: February 03, 2019, 09:03:01 am »
I hope the issue is not the ECM itself.  Does the car run fine, hot, above idle?

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #91 on: February 03, 2019, 11:08:17 am »
Runs like a charm, even good gas mileage when hot, just won't idle good.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #92 on: February 03, 2019, 01:40:01 pm »
My understanding is that the ECU controls idle after the engine is warm, below a particular RPM.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2019, 08:08:58 pm »
The ECU always controls the idle. Just in closed loop (O2 sensor warmed up and functioning) it's got more to think about. (Various sensor readings, etc.)
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2019, 08:38:24 pm »
That makes sense, but something is amiss.

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #95 on: February 03, 2019, 09:45:13 pm »
Could the O2 sensor be the culprit? Haven't checked it yet. How do you best test it?

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #96 on: February 03, 2019, 09:48:35 pm »
Could the O2 sensor be the culprit? Haven't checked it yet. How do you best test it?

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I think the MAP and O2 sensors could also be suspects.

Sure could.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2019, 09:59:06 pm by GTRS Fiero »

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #97 on: February 03, 2019, 09:49:05 pm »
I'm doubting the ignition coils, and you replaced the intake gasket.  O2 sensor?

New IAC does not equal good IAC.

It's been suggested once or twice.

Usually, a bad O2 results in smelly exhaust.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2019, 12:18:44 am by GTRS Fiero »

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #98 on: February 05, 2019, 06:50:51 am »
So how does one test O2 sensor?

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2019, 08:53:41 am »
That's a good one.  It's not a temperature sensor, so the chart wouldn't work for it.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2019, 10:08:27 pm »
So how does one test O2 sensor?

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Once the engine is warmed up, unplug it. It will set the O2 sensor code (pretty much guaranteed) and should turn on the CEL light.
But if the idle settles down, the ECM would seem to be fighting with what the O2 sensor is feeding it.
If that's the case, I would be inclined to replace it. No guarantees, but what else ya' gonna do?
I don't think it's the coils or associated pieces.

Edit - If you've got a scan tool, it should show ~.445 volts (DC) when the O2 is cold. (That value is "plugged in" to the PCM, and is used as a default, until the O2 warms up and starts responding to actual exhaust readings.)
Once it warms up, it should bounce back and forth between .1 and .8 volts (or thereabouts.)  It should spend about half the time on either side of .445 volts.
If it parks on one side or the other, it thinks it's seeing a continuous lean or rich condition. Towards .8 is rich. Towards .1 is lean.  If you are accelerating or decelerating, a temporarily full rich or full lean condition is normal.
The O2 CAN lie. At one point, the one on my 4.9 indicated full lean (very low voltage.) The PCM compensated by dumping in as much fuel as it could. Failed a smog test horribly. Also killed my catalyst. My gas mileage was also crap.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #101 on: February 06, 2019, 11:04:14 pm »
Don, take a look at the thread I just started about the MAP sensor.  Might have some answers for you. 
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #102 on: February 07, 2019, 08:56:42 am »
Thanks Charlie.........good reading.
BTW: Installed new O2 sensor today, ran the car hot, no change, idle still hunting.  :(
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #103 on: February 07, 2019, 05:18:52 pm »
Thanks Charlie.........good reading.
BTW: Installed new O2 sensor today, ran the car hot, no change, idle still hunting.  :(
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2019, 06:02:12 pm »
We need to see that the computer is showing, whether voltage, or sensors.