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Author Topic: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm  (Read 33123 times)

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #150 on: March 16, 2019, 07:33:57 am »
But after taking it out of diagnostic mode with the IAC unplugged, the engine will not start, so I cannot adjust the idle air screw. Is this an indication of a bad IAC?

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #151 on: March 16, 2019, 08:55:11 am »
Just a guess.  When at this step, the IAC's pintle is fully extended, and doing nothing.  Nothing to do with the IAC.  It sounds as if the idle screw is at fault, as you suspect.  Note the position, then turn the idle screw a half turn.  Lefty-loosey.  Try starting.  You may have to open the idle screw a bit more.

Sorry, my IAC article is not ready, yet.  I only have a few notes, and the article is at least 2 months out.

Get me a picture of that idle screw, please.

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #152 on: March 22, 2019, 12:38:55 pm »
Today I replaced the fuel pressure regulator, tore apart the C500 block next to the battery, traced all my ground wires, replaced the one going from the block to the deck lid, checked all fusible links and still have a hunting idle when warm/hot.
Still waiting on my new IAC so I can install and try to adjust the idle air control screw.

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #153 on: March 22, 2019, 01:13:26 pm »
Have you considered a throttle body rebuild? Replace all gaskets, O-rings, and anything not metal in the throttle body. You can get rebuild kits at auto parts stores over on this side of the pond.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #154 on: March 30, 2019, 10:08:58 am »
Have you considered a throttle body rebuild? Replace all gaskets, O-rings, and anything not metal in the throttle body. You can get rebuild kits at auto parts stores over on this side of the pond.


$38.00 with express shipping.

OK, TBI rebuilt, new IAC (I think it is now the 3rd).
I have gone through all my cables, looking for a bad ground, and have replaced about everything that can be replaced..........see here:
EGR
MAP
MAT
O2 sensor
IAC
TPS
CTS
PCV
Injector
ALL TB gaskets & O-rings (cleaned entire TB housing)
Fuel pressure regulator
ECM
Ground cables

Still hunting when warm/hot. Sometimes also stalls.
What I have not yet replaced are the 2 ignition coils...........could they be at fault?
Right now I'm at a point where I am willing to replace just about anything, as I am getting a bit POed, to say the least.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #155 on: March 30, 2019, 10:20:24 am »
If it's any consolation, I had the periodic problem with the 88 Duke Coupe.  Sometimes it would idle without wavering, though at about 1500, and other times it would be up and down with a periodic stall.  If my memory is working, I seem to remember that Pat's 88 has a very high idle, too. 
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #156 on: March 30, 2019, 11:53:35 am »
A duke will have a very high idle at startup, but if should slow down after about a minute or two. Also, if you turn on the AC, the idle will go start cycle again -- very high for a while, and then slow down.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #157 on: March 30, 2019, 01:35:43 pm »
If it's any consolation, I had the periodic problem with the 88 Duke Coupe.  Sometimes it would idle without wavering, though at about 1500, and other times it would be up and down with a periodic stall.  If my memory is working, I seem to remember that Pat's 88 has a very high idle, too. 

And, did you get it fixed?
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #158 on: March 30, 2019, 01:37:07 pm »
What I have not yet replaced are the 2 ignition coils...........could they be at fault?
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #159 on: March 30, 2019, 02:05:23 pm »
Never got it fixed, Don.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #160 on: March 30, 2019, 03:25:42 pm »
What I have not yet replaced are the 2 ignition coils...........could they be at fault?
Usually if a coil is bad, the engine will miss or die at the most inappropriate time. It will be worse when accelerating. Been there, done that.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #161 on: March 30, 2019, 09:07:50 pm »
Maybe a video of the issue?

What happens if you unplug the IAC, and operate the throttle manually to keep the engine tunning?  You should be able to do so, and keep a fairly steady RPM.  Or, try to keep a steady RPM with your foot.

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #162 on: April 02, 2019, 04:27:22 am »
What happens if you unplug the IAC, and operate the throttle manually to keep the engine tunning?  You should be able to do so, and keep a fairly steady RPM.  Or, try to keep a steady RPM with your foot.

If I disconnect the IAC, it stalls most of the time. When it doesn't stall, the idle still hunts.
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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #163 on: April 02, 2019, 04:33:34 am »
The Ogre has told me (multiple times now) that I should look for a bad ground or "iffy" wiring and that my coils are not likely to be the cause, which coincides with what Pat said.
I've taken apart the C500 next to the battery and redone all of the wires.

Perhaps someone here can point me in the direction of possible bad wires/ground? Or are there too many?
Wich are the ground wires that could have such an effect on the idle?

I ordered a scan and diagnostic kit for the 87-88 Duke yesterday, what exactly, when I scan, should I look for?

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Re: Up & down idle 88 Duke when warm
« Reply #164 on: April 02, 2019, 08:04:12 am »
Well, you could look for any value on a sensor that fluctuates in sync with the hunting idle.

Separately, you could use a meter to check the resistance from the negative battery terminal to the engine block, to the transmission, to the O2 sensor, etc.  Also, check the ground to the ECU.