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Help Needed
« on: April 17, 2019, 02:26:59 pm »
I need someone who has time to replace my right drive axle on the 87.  I've had a loud random popping noise for some time and while doing an oil change today, I found that the outboard joint has been throwing grease.  I will provide the axle and seal. 

I plan to drive the car to Carlisle in the 3rd week of June and want it to be safe.  I can help, but I just need someone to do the heavyweight work or to do the complete job.  I have a new hub on the shelf, so while the suspension is apart, I might as well change that, too. 

If I help, it would need to be inside where I can have a good fan blowing on me. 

You can reply here, or most of you have my phone number. 

BTW, THIS IS A PAYING JOB.  NOT FOR FREE.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2019, 06:55:15 pm by Fierofool »
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2019, 06:58:24 pm »
I don't know about the fitment on a manual.  I do know that there was a spdcial socket required for the axle nut.  The nut probably came with your hub, or did with my wheel bearings.  That nut takes some encouragement to get off, and the axle to get out.  I think it's an easier job with 2 people.  To aboid messing with my alignment, I unbolted the strut, which may not have been the best way.  It helps to have someone guide things back in.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 07:08:25 pm »
I've done a couple of rear hubs before.  I have a writeup on the board on how to do it.  My hubs came with the nut, and I bought a socket to do the job.  I have a 250 ft-lb torque wrench for torquing the nut.  I just am not allowed by my doctors to exert that much force, and when I overdo it, I get sick.  I also risk a fatal incident. 
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 07:14:41 pm »
Do you have jack stands, a hydraullic floor jack, and a wrench for that socket?

I'd try, if I weren't so far away.  Never done a manual.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2019, 08:24:29 am »
If no one else can before mid May, I should be able to shake loose a day to come do it.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2019, 08:50:43 am »
I have everything needed except an emergency brake spring remover and a pickle fork for removing the rear tie rod. 

My daughter has contacted one of the EMT's that restores automobiles on the side.  Haven't heard anything from him, yet.  I was gonna send the car up to Tha Driver for a paint job, but I've heard that he has one, maybe two cars ahead so I'm going to send it over to Mableton in a week or two. 

Zack, if this other guy can't do the job or can't get it in the next week, I'll take you up on the offer.  I need it ready to go to Carlisle on the 20th of June. 
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2019, 10:36:42 am »
Charlie,
I'm sure I can find time to work it in (the axle - not the paintjob ;-) sometime in the near future. It should only take an hour or so, right? (famous last words)
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2019, 11:12:30 am »
Thanks, Paul.  It should take maybe 3 or 4 hours to do the axle and hub.  The EMT co-worker of my daughter said he can do the job.  He will let me know what his ambulance schedule is.  I probably have a small window before paint and a little more after paint before taking the trip.  I'm hoping to get it replaced before taking it to Mableton.  The way it pops, I'm concerned that the axle may come apart on the interstate. 
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2019, 06:06:06 pm »
ALL FIXED.

First, the reason for the replacement work was because I've been having a random loud pop somewhere toward the rear.  I couldn't identify it to any particular action of the car or condition of the roadway.  It's been doing this for years but has recently become more frequent.  While changing oil, I noticed grease slung around the fenderwell, so I assumed that because it was inline with the CV boot, that the boot had ruptured, lost the grease and the joint had deteriorated.

I was talking with my brother who lives up in Homer and he said he was a little short on work so I brought him down to help do the job.   

I rented a ball joint splitter and a seal driver set from O'Reilly Auto Parts and because they don't have a true seal remover for rent I had to buy one.  I also purchased a GM Door Spring Removal Tool for the emergency brake spring.

Expecting possible problems, I ordered two transmission seals when I ordered my axel.  It paid off as the seal driver wasn't designed for the Fiero axle seals.  It exerts all it's force on the center metal portion and damages the seal.  But a 1 7/8 socket is the perfect driver.  It drives against the outer flange where it fits into the transmission case.  Available for loan if you ever need one. 

While I was into it, I decided to also replace the hub with one of the new MOOG hubs I had on the shelf.  Good thing I had them because it turned out that it wasn't the axle that was bad, but it was the hub.  Lots of grease had come out of the rear hub seal. 

I found several variables while doing the job.  The axle nut that was on the car was a 29mm swaged nut.  The axle nut that came with the hub was a 29mm swaged nut.  When I bought the hubs and found the 29mm nut included, I purchased a 29mm socket for when replacement time came along.  I think most of us have been educated that the Fiero uses a 30mm axle nut.  Well, the new axle came with a 30mm flange head Nylok axle nut, so I had to run back and rent a 30mm socket. 









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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2019, 06:17:09 pm »
Glad it's fixed.

I'm a little mixed up about the nut.  I have several spares.  When I replaced my rear wheel bearings and seals, they came with nuts, but I had already purchased nuts.  I wonder what size they are.

Oh.  Before anyone else says it, apparently you're storing nuts for the Winter.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2019, 04:26:45 pm »
While we were underneath the car we verified a few things that I had suspected for a while.  When the engine was installed, I purchased new transmission and motor mounts and a neutrally balanced flywheel. 

The engine has always seemed to be a little loose and will sometimes rock when starting out.  Seems the transmission mounts aren't quite so new.  The flywheel has a series of numbers written on it with one of those yellow paint markers.  Definitely not the new Beretta flywheel that I purchased from Main Auto Parts. 
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2019, 05:26:33 pm »
It is sad that that was done to you.  Should never happen to anyone.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2019, 03:57:06 am »
Glad that you got this sorted FF.  Very unpleasant about the flywheel and mount.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2019, 07:13:30 am »
Go Ahead and 'OUT' the Flywheel Thief.   Or go Ask The owner For it.

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2019, 07:37:51 am »
Flywheel, transmission, mounts, and other items.  It seems that there was a sway bar and other items, also.