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Raydar

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2019, 08:21:43 am »
Glad you got it sorted. Sorry I couldn't help.
I'm curious as to the parts thief, too. Same person who had Fan's car?
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2019, 08:50:53 am »
Kinda.  In that general area, relatively speaking.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2019, 08:29:21 pm »
Gotcha. The senior A.
He also sold John C a 2.8 that was supposed to be an 88 block. Not even close.
I'm (sadly) just a bit vindicated that my original impression seemed to be not too far from dead accurate.
Ah well... ya' learn.
(That's also where my original Getrag came from. The one that I shredded, on the way home from the club meeting. In retrospect, it was probably on its last legs when I installed it.)
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2020, 11:32:59 am »
Going to be pulling mt 88 5 speed right axel soon as the seal has gone bad.  Charlie has the axel incase I need it too.  I've come up with part number National 3543 for the seal (correct?) but cant find a number for the axel nut.  Nothing on any of the big sites except front nuts, not rear.  I can get the seal today locally but no listing for nuts.....
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2020, 01:09:33 pm »
TFS has them.  Actually, when I replaced my bearings, axle nuts came with the bearings.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2020, 01:34:56 pm »
I did see they have them just hoping to get locally faster to make Saturday shop meeting. I tried to find a factory number on them in the green parts manual no luck in both the axel and brake related sections.  Is it a m20 x 1.5?  I find mixed messages on different sites.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2020, 02:20:38 pm »
AutoZone has the nut.  Includes 2 nuts. 
Dorman Spindle Lock Nut Kit 615-089.1

NAPA has the nut.
Spindle Locknut - Rear
Part # :
NOE 6301571
Product Line :
NAPA Solutions

Advance has the nut
Dorman #615-089

O'Rielly also has the Dorman part. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2020, 03:30:02 pm »
Thanks, the fill in forms were holding me back.  They will take an 87 for the nut but not an 88.  Napa has them in stock near me. I'll grab them tomorrow. 
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2020, 04:07:57 pm »
All years are the same.  If you don't have one, you will need a 30mm deepwell socket.  My torque wrench is 1/2 inch drive.  Sockets can be rented at AutoZone just up the road from Scott's, but he probably has the socket.  Oddly, my replacement axel came with a 29mm nut. 

Install the washer and axle nut.  Always use a new nut.  If for any reason you need to remove the nut, purchase a new one.  They are one-time-use nuts.

Again, you can use about 2 drops of Blue LocTite thread locker on the axle threads if you desire.

Do an initial torque of the axle nut to 75 ft. lb.

Install the disk and brake caliper and hook up the emergency brake.

Remove the wheel center cap and install the wheel.  Tighten the lug nuts to 100 ft. lb.

Lower the car to the ground.  Do not roll the car for even a short distance.  You stand a good chance of destroying your new hub assembly bearings.

Block the wheel on each side.  Retorque the axle nut to 200 ft. lb.

Install the wheel center cap.  You may want to recheck the hub nut torque after 200 miles, but it really isn’t necessary.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2020, 05:31:07 pm »
I wonder how serious the single use nut thing is. A few years ago I changed a bearing on my 2001 Ford Escape. The book said I had to get a new nut, but the bearing didn't come with one, and i couldn't find one to save my neck. So I re-used the old one. Haven't had any problems.
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2020, 08:11:17 pm »
Its not that serious..... manufacturer recommended to cover their ass..... 200 ftlbs is not enough to hurt the structural integrity of the nut. I have never seen a spindle nut fail. Of course I am not a materials engineer nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night....... don't play one on TV either
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2020, 08:25:33 pm »
Another nut oddity... You may recall me writing here not long ago about changing a bearing on the rear of my yellow Fiero. The new bearing, which I got from TFS, came with a nut, but I didn't know it would, so I also bought a nut from TFS. While the two nuts were the same thread, they weren't the same outside diameter. The separate nut was the same outside diameter as the old one, but the one packed with the bearing was smaller, and would have required a different socket. So I used the one that was the same size as the old one.
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2020, 08:33:36 pm »
That's what I encountered when I replaced my hub and axel.  Hub was supposed to be a MOOG from Rock Auto.  I don't remember where I ordered the axel from, but I think it was PartsGeek.  Both had 29mm nuts.  The factory nut was a 30mm. 

The hub came with a nylock nut and the axel came with a washer and a nylock nut.  I might reuse a deformed threat swaged nut, but I would never reuse a nylock nut on something that critical. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2020, 08:57:20 pm »
Quote from: TopNotch on September 07, 2020, 08:25:33 pm
The new bearing, which I got from TFS, came with a nut, but I didn't know it would, so I also bought a nut from TFS. While the two nuts were the same thread, they weren't the same outside diameter.

That was my experience, also.

One other point on this.  If you order control arms and paddle nuts/bolts (I think that was the order), TFS removes the duplicate parts from the order.  Whatever it was, it came with the parts, so they removed the duplicates.  Obviously not with the axle nuts.

Later, I replaced the seals, whuch required the purchase of new axle nuts.  Axle nuts came with the seals, which were purchased locally.
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