WTB: Special Request

[Donster]

Perhaps someone can help me out. If there is anyone who has custom floor-mats and/or trunk-covers (such as from RW Upholstery on PFF), I would pay for a template, i.e. trace them on paper and roll 'em up and send 'em to me. I have a plan on making them (or having them made) custom. Ordering them from the US isn't too bad, but for example the floor-mats would cost me $75.00 just for shipping plus customs tax. The trunk covers from RW cost even more to ship.
So, who can oblige?  I would really appreciate it.
Thnx,
\D

[GTRS Fiero]

Ha.  I have both...600 miles away from me.

[GTRS Fiero]

Just a question, but wouldn't this be copying someone's work?

Wouldn't it be best to just put the paper in the desired area, and just trace that area?  This would then be an original work, if not an original idea?

[Donster]

As these items are not being sold in Europe, there is no copyright or trademark infringement.Tracing an original item is much more accurate (and less work).  Like I said, I'm willing to pay for the effort & shipping.
\D

[GTRS Fiero]

As these items are not being sold in Europe, there is no copyright or trademark infringement.Tracing an original item is much more accurate (and less work).  Like I said, I'm willing to pay for the effort & shipping.
\D

I thought about this carefully.  For the person copying here, there is infringement here.  This would literally be copying someone else's work to create your own product.  I feel that there is a fine line here.  I would like to think that I have a good relationship with both vendors, each of whom will sell overseas.  The trademark/copyright issue means little to me.  I am not making a judgment call on the decisions of anyone else, but this would violate my ethics.   To me, this would be stealing someone else's work.  As you say, it is work.  I also am not making a statement about the position of the club on this, being that this is on the club's public forum.

Do not take this personally, and I have tried to word this such that it is not personal.  I would hope that, if the positions were reversed, you would provide similar feedback to me.

I have found that many doors have opened for me, merely because I asked.  Have you just asked that particular vendor for a tracing?  It would seem that the worst they could say is no.  At least you respected the vendor enough to ask.  Either way, it would be up front.  Most of the vendors do not make a living by selling Fiero products.  Some of them have gone out of their way to help me.

[TopNotch]

Never mind all that gibberish in the last message. I have a set of Fiero Store floor mats, and will trace them. I just need to find some paper big enough.

[GTRS Fiero]

Never mind all that gibberish in the last message.

Wow!

[TopNotch]

I hope you took that as a joke.

[GTRS Fiero]

Well, no.  I took it as written, given the context and prior comments.  I posted a courteous, considered reply that used good English, grammar, punctuation, and spelling, as well as providing a viable alternative.  My ethincs and quality of writing are points of pride.  I may be wordy and given to frivolous posts, but that was not such a post.  My wording used plain, basic English.  As I said, my ethics are my own.  I am not imposing them on anyone else.

I do not see any humor in what you wrote.

[Donster]

Thanks Pat!

BTW: I did ask TFS and RW. From RW I never got a response and TFS flat-out said no, as they send straight from warehouses and never phisically see or touch the mats.

[Fierofool]

Just a thought.  For the trunk cover, would the pre-88 be different than the 88 due to the elimination of the trunk mounted fan?  I know your and Pat's cars are both 88's but just information for others who may be reading.

[Raydar]

The Fiero Store mats are already a copy, as are probably 99% of all aftermarket mats, for any car.
I don't see how the shape of a floor mat could be considered intellectual property. If it's a sticking point for anyone, I have some stock mats that I can trace.

The trunk cover...   
I made my own. It's not actually a cover. It's a false floor, that covers the bottom half of the trunk, making a hidden compartment for tools, etc. 88 specific.
I can trace that, if you'd like. It doesn't go all the way to the left and right ends - missing about 5 inches at each end - but it still looks fine. Still covers the "hole".   

[Raydar]

For the trunk cover, would the pre-88 be different than the 88 due to the elimination of the trunk mounted fan?

If it's the trunk floor (as I posted above), yes.  Absolutely different. (The 4 cylinder cars are the same as the 88. No fan.)

[Donster]

I can trace that, if you'd like. It doesn't go all the way to the left and right ends - missing about 5 inches at each end - but it still looks fine. Still covers the "hole".   

Absolutely! I would really appreciate it. Funny you mention it, but I would rather have a false floor, than a complete cover, exactly for the reason you mention.........hidden tools and such. I could probably add the missing 5 inches on either side to fill out the space nicely.

Thanks!

[Raydar]

Gotcha.
I'll have to see if I have any craft paper that large. If I do, I'll trace my mats too, unless Pat beats me to it.